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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Part of the proposal so eagerly accepted by Clinton was that the new Canadian technology would be safer, more volume and less impact on the environment. It is state-of-the art double encasement, self sensing and shut off technology.

    Obama though wants to continue to rely on the old technology, some of which is nearly 75 years old.
    List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Why should America risk AMERICAN land so a Canadian company can get rich?

    2001
    On January 17 and 18, a series of gas explosion hit downtown Hutchinson, Kansas, resulting in 2 deaths, and 2 buildings being destroyed. Later, it was discovered that gas was leaking from an underground gas storage cavern in the area.[29][30]

    A 12-inch natural gas pipeline exploded in Weatherford, Texas on March 22. No one was injured, but the blast created a hole in the ground about 15 feet (4.6 m) in diameter and the explosion was felt several miles away.

    On April 1, a Dome Pipeline in North Dakota carrying gasoline ruptured and burst into flames a few miles west of Bottineau, North Dakota. An estimated 1.1 million US gallons (4,200 m3) of gasoline burned before the pipeline could be shut down. The company attributed the break to damage by an "outside force," which A Bottineau County Sheriff said appeared to be frost that melted at uneven rates, twisting and breaking the pipeline.[31]

    On April 14, a 6-inch petroleum productions failed near Harwood, North Dakota, spilling 40 barrels of fuel oil. There were no injuries. The failure was due to an ERW seam failure, with this particular pipeline having had other ERW seam failures in the past in 1987 and 1993.[32]

    A MAPCO 10-inch propane pipeline exploded and burned, in Platte County, Missouri, on May 1. 13,500 barrels of propane were burned.[33][34][35]

    A bulldozer being used in Taylor County, Texas hit a petroleum pipeline on May 24, causing a large petroleum fire. There were no injuries.[36]

    On June 13, in Pensacola, Florida, at least ten persons were injured when two natural gas lines ruptured and exploded after a parking lot gave way beneath a cement truck at a car dealership. The blast sent chunks of concrete flying across a four-lane road, and several employees and customers at neighboring businesses were evacuated. About 25 cars at the dealership and 10 boats at a neighboring business were damaged or destroyed.
    On July 24, a pipeline ruptured and spread burning gasoline near Manheim, Pennsylvania.[37][38]

    At approximately 5:05 a.m. MST, on August 11, an El Paso Natural Gas 24-inch gas transmission pipeline failed near Williams, Arizona, resulting in the release of natural gas. The natural gas continued to discharge for about an hour before igniting.Stress corrosion cracking was determined to be the cause of the failure.[39][40]

    On August 12, a bulldozer hit a 14-inch LP gas pipeline near Weatherford, Texas, causing a massive fire. One person was injured.[41][42]

    On August 17, an Oklahoma crude oil pipeline ruptured after being struck by a machine cleaning roadside ditches, sending oil 30 feet (9.1 m) into the air and damaging nearby cotton crops with up to 150,000 US gallons (570,000 L) spilled.[43]

    On September 3, at approximately 1:00 p.m. CST, a rupture occurred near the intersection of the 22" T-ML Pipeline and the Black Bayou in Louisiana, resulting in the release of an estimated 8.00 mmcf to13.00 mmcf of natural gas. In addition, the liquids loss is estimated to be 15,000 gallons.[44]

    On October 4, a drunken man used a rifle to shoot a hole in the Alaskan Pipeline. More than 285,000 gallons of crude oil were spilled, costing more $13 million to clean up. The man was later convicted in Court.[45]

    The number of pipeline failure is so extreme I could only get a portion of one year posted.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Why should America risk AMERICAN land so a Canadian company can get rich?

    2001
    On January 17 and 18, a series of gas explosion hit downtown Hutchinson, Kansas, resulting in 2 deaths, and 2 buildings being destroyed. Later, it was discovered that gas was leaking from an underground gas storage cavern in the area.[29][30]

    A 12-inch natural gas pipeline exploded in Weatherford, Texas on March 22. No one was injured, but the blast created a hole in the ground about 15 feet (4.6 m) in diameter and the explosion was felt several miles away.

    On April 1, a Dome Pipeline in North Dakota carrying gasoline ruptured and burst into flames a few miles west of Bottineau, North Dakota. An estimated 1.1 million US gallons (4,200 m3) of gasoline burned before the pipeline could be shut down. The company attributed the break to damage by an "outside force," which A Bottineau County Sheriff said appeared to be frost that melted at uneven rates, twisting and breaking the pipeline.[31]

    On April 14, a 6-inch petroleum productions failed near Harwood, North Dakota, spilling 40 barrels of fuel oil. There were no injuries. The failure was due to an ERW seam failure, with this particular pipeline having had other ERW seam failures in the past in 1987 and 1993.[32]

    A MAPCO 10-inch propane pipeline exploded and burned, in Platte County, Missouri, on May 1. 13,500 barrels of propane were burned.[33][34][35]

    A bulldozer being used in Taylor County, Texas hit a petroleum pipeline on May 24, causing a large petroleum fire. There were no injuries.[36]

    On June 13, in Pensacola, Florida, at least ten persons were injured when two natural gas lines ruptured and exploded after a parking lot gave way beneath a cement truck at a car dealership. The blast sent chunks of concrete flying across a four-lane road, and several employees and customers at neighboring businesses were evacuated. About 25 cars at the dealership and 10 boats at a neighboring business were damaged or destroyed.
    On July 24, a pipeline ruptured and spread burning gasoline near Manheim, Pennsylvania.[37][38]

    At approximately 5:05 a.m. MST, on August 11, an El Paso Natural Gas 24-inch gas transmission pipeline failed near Williams, Arizona, resulting in the release of natural gas. The natural gas continued to discharge for about an hour before igniting.Stress corrosion cracking was determined to be the cause of the failure.[39][40]

    On August 12, a bulldozer hit a 14-inch LP gas pipeline near Weatherford, Texas, causing a massive fire. One person was injured.[41][42]

    On August 17, an Oklahoma crude oil pipeline ruptured after being struck by a machine cleaning roadside ditches, sending oil 30 feet (9.1 m) into the air and damaging nearby cotton crops with up to 150,000 US gallons (570,000 L) spilled.[43]

    On September 3, at approximately 1:00 p.m. CST, a rupture occurred near the intersection of the 22" T-ML Pipeline and the Black Bayou in Louisiana, resulting in the release of an estimated 8.00 mmcf to13.00 mmcf of natural gas. In addition, the liquids loss is estimated to be 15,000 gallons.[44]

    On October 4, a drunken man used a rifle to shoot a hole in the Alaskan Pipeline. More than 285,000 gallons of crude oil were spilled, costing more $13 million to clean up. The man was later convicted in Court.[45]

    The number of pipeline failure is so extreme I could only get a portion of one year posted.
    In 2013, in which more crude oil was spilled in U.S. rail incidents than was spilled in the previous thirty-seven years. So much for your propaganda here.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In 2013, in which more crude oil was spilled in U.S. rail incidents than was spilled in the previous thirty-seven years. So much for your propaganda here.
    Now the truth is propaganda. wow.

    My question still stands. Why risk American land for Canadian profits?

    And why is there this constant comparison with other means of oil transportation?
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    1)Now the truth is propaganda. wow.

    2)My question still stands. Why risk American land for Canadian profits?

    And 3)why is there this constant comparison with other means of oil transportation?
    1) When you describe someone shooting a hole into a pipeline that causes a spill as "a pipeline failure" as though it were a fault in the line, is disingenuous to say the least.

    2) All oil goes on the 'world market' to be sold. That is an argument you anti energy people have drummed in our heads about approving Keystone...In fact it has been use right up to the time when experts started pointing out that when oil hits the world market it lowers the price for everyone....Then all the sudden you stopped using that argument....

    3) Because oil is going to continue to be the energy source for quite some time to come, probably long after you and I are gone from this world...So, if you want to advocate more dangerous ways to move it, probably as a way to demonize the industry at the expense of the environment that's up to you, but it sure does make it look like you are either uninformed, or purposely disingenuous...Which is it in your case?
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Why should America risk AMERICAN land so a Canadian company can get rich?

    2001
    On January 17 and 18, a series of gas explosion hit downtown Hutchinson, Kansas, resulting in 2 deaths, and 2 buildings being destroyed. Later, it was discovered that gas was leaking from an underground gas storage cavern in the area.[29][30]

    A 12-inch natural gas pipeline exploded in Weatherford, Texas on March 22. No one was injured, but the blast created a hole in the ground about 15 feet (4.6 m) in diameter and the explosion was felt several miles away.

    On April 1, a Dome Pipeline in North Dakota carrying gasoline ruptured and burst into flames a few miles west of Bottineau, North Dakota. An estimated 1.1 million US gallons (4,200 m3) of gasoline burned before the pipeline could be shut down. The company attributed the break to damage by an "outside force," which A Bottineau County Sheriff said appeared to be frost that melted at uneven rates, twisting and breaking the pipeline.[31]

    On April 14, a 6-inch petroleum productions failed near Harwood, North Dakota, spilling 40 barrels of fuel oil. There were no injuries. The failure was due to an ERW seam failure, with this particular pipeline having had other ERW seam failures in the past in 1987 and 1993.[32]

    A MAPCO 10-inch propane pipeline exploded and burned, in Platte County, Missouri, on May 1. 13,500 barrels of propane were burned.[33][34][35]

    A bulldozer being used in Taylor County, Texas hit a petroleum pipeline on May 24, causing a large petroleum fire. There were no injuries.[36]

    On June 13, in Pensacola, Florida, at least ten persons were injured when two natural gas lines ruptured and exploded after a parking lot gave way beneath a cement truck at a car dealership. The blast sent chunks of concrete flying across a four-lane road, and several employees and customers at neighboring businesses were evacuated. About 25 cars at the dealership and 10 boats at a neighboring business were damaged or destroyed.
    On July 24, a pipeline ruptured and spread burning gasoline near Manheim, Pennsylvania.[37][38]

    At approximately 5:05 a.m. MST, on August 11, an El Paso Natural Gas 24-inch gas transmission pipeline failed near Williams, Arizona, resulting in the release of natural gas. The natural gas continued to discharge for about an hour before igniting.Stress corrosion cracking was determined to be the cause of the failure.[39][40]

    On August 12, a bulldozer hit a 14-inch LP gas pipeline near Weatherford, Texas, causing a massive fire. One person was injured.[41][42]

    On August 17, an Oklahoma crude oil pipeline ruptured after being struck by a machine cleaning roadside ditches, sending oil 30 feet (9.1 m) into the air and damaging nearby cotton crops with up to 150,000 US gallons (570,000 L) spilled.[43]

    On September 3, at approximately 1:00 p.m. CST, a rupture occurred near the intersection of the 22" T-ML Pipeline and the Black Bayou in Louisiana, resulting in the release of an estimated 8.00 mmcf to13.00 mmcf of natural gas. In addition, the liquids loss is estimated to be 15,000 gallons.[44]

    On October 4, a drunken man used a rifle to shoot a hole in the Alaskan Pipeline. More than 285,000 gallons of crude oil were spilled, costing more $13 million to clean up. The man was later convicted in Court.[45]

    The number of pipeline failure is so extreme I could only get a portion of one year posted.


    Why should Canada risk IT'S lands so America can have cheap gas?

    Any time you like we can shut off all the Canadian fed lines, and if we're into ripping up treaties, we will be happy to shut down the Canada-Alaska pipelines and sell it to the Chinese.

    I asked for a comparison to rail accidents, you responded with one sided facts, or propaganda.

    Clearly you know nothing of the 150 year history of Canada supplying the US oil and letting you ship it across our lands, or the fact every president from Carter to GWB pressured Canada into guaranteeing supply, and beneficial rates, we are more than happy to remove all that and start charging the world price AND put a 20% carbon tax on US exports.

    If yours was the prevailing attitude, I and 36 million other Canadians would love to watch you freeze in the dark.
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