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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    GASP!!!

    200!!! That's SO BIG!!!

    3,854,082 mi - of Canada....
    - 200 Mi
    3,853,882 mi left...
    200 square miles for the operation itself. That doesn't take into account fragmentation of ecosystems, pollution of waterways and so on. You said it wasn't that big, I am merely pointing out that it is the physical size of a typical major city.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    200 square miles for the operation itself. That doesn't take into account fragmentation of ecosystems, pollution of waterways and so on. You said it wasn't that big, I am merely pointing out that it is the physical size of a typical major city.
    Its not that big. Sorry. once they are done nature will move back.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Replacing "those rickety 100 year old tracks" would create more jobs for a longer period than constructing the Keystone Pipeline
    Trains burn oil to transport oil. Pipelines are actually greener.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Right, because a single person or family is the same as environmental damage to an entire region's water source. /sarcasm

    I wonder, is this the typical limited view that allows people to just dismiss environmental harm outright?
    A single person times 30 million is how that works. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Right, because a single person or family is the same as environmental damage to an entire region's water source. /sarcasm

    I wonder, is this the typical limited view that allows people to just dismiss environmental harm outright?
    No, but it demonstrates the obsurd levels we've seen some liberals go to (at least politically) to assure some utopian risk-free life. Man has used petroleum products for over a hundred years, and guess what? We're still here. Drilling is now more environmentally safe than ever, but you people act like we're back in the late 1800's fighting off the oil tycoons. Absolutely insane and ridiculous. Next you'll throw up a pic of an oil covered sea gull to prove that oil spills are covering the planet.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, but it demonstrates the obsurd levels we've seen some liberals go to (at least politically) to assure some utopian risk-free life. Man has used petroleum products for over a hundred years, and guess what? We're still here. Drilling is now more environmentally safe than ever, but you people act like we're back in the late 1800's fighting off the oil tycoons. Absolutely insane and ridiculous. Next you'll throw up a pic of an oil covered sea gull to prove that oil spills are covering the planet.
    I've never seen that extremism. THat is only the way people interpret something they dont like and dont want to interfere with their agendas. And If something as terrible as the Ex Valdez hadnt happened, many of those safeguards wouldnt be in place.

    And the ridiculous danger of only *reacting* to disasters instead of just preventing ahead of time obviously enables disaster after disaster because no one wants the expense until 'it's proven it can happen.' Yeah, what a 'plan.'
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I've never seen that extremism. THat is only the way people interpret something they dont like and dont want to interfere with their agendas. And If something as terrible as the Ex Valdez hadnt happened, many of those safeguards wouldnt be in place.

    And the ridiculous danger of only *reacting* to disasters instead of just preventing ahead of time obviously enables disaster after disaster because no one wants the expense until 'it's proven it can happen.' Yeah, what a 'plan.'
    I have nothing against safeguards, but this constant attitude that everything is killing the planet is getting on my nerves. Ask yourself when the last time a nuclear power plant was approved? Well it was 2012, know when it happened before that? 30 years

    The same people protesting this stuff are the same ones crying about crumbling infrastructure.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I've never seen that extremism. THat is only the way people interpret something they dont like and dont want to interfere with their agendas. And If something as terrible as the Ex Valdez hadnt happened, many of those safeguards wouldnt be in place.

    And the ridiculous danger of only *reacting* to disasters instead of just preventing ahead of time obviously enables disaster after disaster because no one wants the expense until 'it's proven it can happen.' Yeah, what a 'plan.'
    So, in this case wouldn't it be an argument FOR Keystone, (a new pipeline) rather than relying on aging and failing ones?
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    We should totally build an even BIGGER pipeline that runs right through America's breadbasket to make it easier for Canadian companies to send the worse oil through! /sarcasm


    Would you be able to back up the up the implication that pipelines are unsafe with some data?

    The last I looked, it was at least five times safer than shipping by train or truck. One of the last train crashes by an American RR was in Lac Magantique, Que. just last year....

    Lac-Mégantic rail disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Please note the picture of a third of the town burning hours after the derailment. Please also note the death toll.

    Can you supply one incident where a pipeline leak has caused widespread inferno and death?

    Anyone can take one incident and claim this or that is unsafe, but in the end, the incidents and level of death and destruction from rail and truck accidents is far, far greater and far more costly to the environment...
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, in this case wouldn't it be an argument FOR Keystone, (a new pipeline) rather than relying on aging and failing ones?
    Part of the proposal so eagerly accepted by Clinton was that the new Canadian technology would be safer, more volume and less impact on the environment. It is state-of-the art double encasement, self sensing and shut off technology.

    Obama though wants to continue to rely on the old technology, some of which is nearly 75 years old.
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