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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

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    Do we have oil furnaces for heating here in the Seattle area? It doesn't even really get cold enough that oil was the most efficient method of heating. Out right live every house is either a woodstove, a pellet stove, or natural gas.

    Many homes and businesses do have generators, but use of oil for electrical generation is an incredibly small percentage of electricity. I'm not aware of any oil firing electrical plant in Western Washington at least. The bigger share of our power comes from Hydro electric.

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    I was referring to national use of oil furnaces and power generation.

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    We can use solar, wind, tidal, other methods to wean us from oil for many purposes. And then use domestic supplies for commercial transport and manufacturing.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    What is your preferred method to transport oil? Trains derail, ships sink, trucks crash.
    I prefer that Canadian oil meant for export out of the U.S. be processed in Canada. We have no reason to transport it here at all.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Just a preview of keystone.
    Except it will be four times bigger and still will not effect gasoline prices by one penny.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Most of which is coming from an naturally occurring environmental nightmare situation--tar sands. I find it ironic that environmentalist want to make it harder for Canada to mitigate an environmental nightmare because it involves oil.
    I am for the pipeline, but that is ridiculous. The Canadian Tar Sands is about the largest, and most toxic, industrial operation on earth in terms of the amount of land and water impacted.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    The oil is going to be moved, regardless. I would prefer a lengthy and expensive cleanup to greater chances for explosions and deaths via railway or car. Thankfully we are increasing the safety for railway, but it's not going to be enough.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am for the pipeline, but that is ridiculous. The Canadian Tar Sands is about the largest, and most toxic, industrial operation on earth in terms of the amount of land and water impacted.
    It is 1) naturally occurring and 2) toxic as hell. Which part do you think is ridiculous. Once the oil is extracted, they are cleaning up the site to be pristine forest so deer, rabbits, and miscellaneous bi-footed creatures do not get sucked into the toxins. From what I have read, the cost of the restoration is going to be such that in the end it would have been better financially to have just drilled the oil from somewhere else if that was all that they were after.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    It is 1) naturally occurring and 2) toxic as hell. Which part do you think is ridiculous. Once the oil is extracted, they are cleaning up the site to be pristine forest so deer, rabbits, and miscellaneous bi-footed creatures do not get sucked into the toxins. From what I have read, the cost of the restoration is going to be such that in the end it would have been better financially to have just drilled the oil from somewhere else if that was all that they were after.
    There is nothing at all natural about this:



    I am all for building the Keystone Pipeline as that tar sands oil is going to be extracted either way and a pipeline is by far the lesser of evils when it comes to transporting that oil, but it is absurd to argue that the environmental impacts of extracting it are less than that of leaving it in the ground.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There is nothing at all natural about this:



    I am all for building the Keystone Pipeline as that tar sands oil is going to be extracted either way and a pipeline is by far the lesser of evils when it comes to transporting that oil, but it is absurd to argue that the environmental impacts of extracting it are less than that of leaving it in the ground.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's only big when you're there. Pan the camera back, it's not that big.
    It's over 200 square miles and easily visible from space:

    Pictures: Satellite Views of Canada's Oil Sands Over Time
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's over 200 square miles and easily visible from space:

    Pictures: Satellite Views of Canada's Oil Sands Over Time
    GASP!!!

    200!!! That's SO BIG!!!

    3,854,082 mi - of Canada....
    - 200 Mi
    3,853,882 mi left...
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