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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    What seems to be lost in the discussions about Keystone, is that oil
    whatever the source is the raw material.
    Thorough refining, we manufacturer finished fuel products, and many other things.
    We need some manufacturing basis to drive the economy, Services alone will not do it.
    If we mainstream other sources of energy for residences and commercial buildings, like solar, wind, etc, we'd have loads of domestic oil left for manufacturing purposes.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Kind of like electricity, dams, and water supplies, all public boondoggles we should all do without
    Not the same thing but thanks for the display of ignirance.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Right, because a single person or family is the same as environmental damage to an entire region's water source. /sarcasm

    I wonder, is this the typical limited view that allows people to just dismiss environmental harm outright?
    The point was **** happens everyday. Getting melodramatic is pointless.
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Railroad tracks aren't repaired or paid for by the government. The railroads and their workers do it themselves.
    So missed the point you did.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If we mainstream other sources of energy for residences and commercial buildings, like solar, wind, etc, we'd have loads of domestic oil left for manufacturing purposes.
    No we wouldn't, what you're talking about is electrical generation. Crude oil is very rarely use for electrical generation in the United States, other than generators that is but those are for emergency use. Oil is mainly used as automotive fuel or fuel for transportation. In some parts of the country it may also be used for heating furnaces. But very little electrical grid power comes from the burning of oil
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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If we mainstream other sources of energy for residences and commercial buildings, like solar, wind, etc, we'd have loads of domestic oil left for manufacturing purposes.
    The point is that the refining of oil IS the manufacturing process.
    We are turning a raw material into a finished usable product.
    We need to get off of organic oil at some point,
    but we will need a viable alternative ready before that happens.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The point was **** happens everyday. Getting melodramatic is pointless.
    No, you were minimizing the impacts in a ridiculous and unrealistic fashion. That was melodrama.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No we wouldn't, what you're talking about is electrical generation. Crude oil is very rarely use for electrical generation in the United States, other than generators that is but those are for emergency use. Oil is mainly used as automotive fuel or fuel for transportation. In some parts of the country it may also be used for heating furnaces. But very little electrical grid power comes from the burning of oil
    We can add solar power to houses in Seattle for $40,000/home for complete (no additional sources needed) residential power. Homes here sell power back to the electrical companies. Here, in cloudy Seattle. We could have paid for every residential building in the US for what we spent in Iraq.

    Oil powers generators everywhere. Lots of people have oil furnaces for heating. Not needed for solar.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    So is it just Canadian oil you want to boycott or all oil from all countries arriving on our shores by ships that can and do run aground and then transported by road or rail where spills also occur? My guess is you are so anti oil you would stop it all if you could.
    My preferred method is to acknowledge that oil supply has peaked and is likely in decline, and then to design and implement a rational and practical public policy that will help us develop renewable energy sources.

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    Re: Montana oil spill renews worries over pipeline safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    We can add solar power to houses in Seattle for $40,000/home for complete (no additional sources needed) residential power. Homes here sell power back to the electrical companies. Here, in cloudy Seattle. We could have paid for every residential building in the US for what we spent in Iraq.

    Oil powers generators everywhere. Lots of people have oil furnaces for heating. Not needed for solar.
    Do we have oil furnaces for heating here in the Seattle area? It doesn't even really get cold enough that oil was the most efficient method of heating. Out right live every house is either a woodstove, a pellet stove, or natural gas.

    Many homes and businesses do have generators, but use of oil for electrical generation is an incredibly small percentage of electricity. I'm not aware of any oil firing electrical plant in Western Washington at least. The bigger share of our power comes from Hydro electric.

    Even out in the Midwest Coal is the predominant form of electricity. One can argue the benefits of solar power, but I doubt it will save enough liquid fuel to End our dependence on foreign sources
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