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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The money used for abortions is either paid by the woman herself or partly paid by herself and taken from privately donated funds set aside for abortions
    Funding PP's operations anywhere free's up the money that they apply elsewhere. For example, if someone bought all of your gas for you, you would have more money in your budget for fun.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    ever consider that the problem for the GOP isn't a fear of offending women but a fear of offending men who oppose abortion altogether?
    Not in this instance. I'm pretty close to that line myself (I would except cases of actual risk to the mother only), and as near as I can tell, neither myself nor anyone else like me viewed this as anything except moving the football. The semi-Catholic National Review has been hammering the GOP on not passing this.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not for abortions at Planned Parenthood.

    Read my reply post #72.

    About 200,000 women ask for help paying for their abortions every year.
    Private money is donated to help these women but there are not enough funds to fully cover any of the abortions.
    That's only partially true....Guttmacher, and AUL disagree with you.

    http://www.aul.org/wp-content/upload...-PP-Report.pdf
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Funding PP's operations anywhere free's up the money that they apply elsewhere. For example, if someone bought all of your gas for you, you would have more money in your budget for fun.



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    Planned Parenthood charges for abortions.
    There are no sliding scales for their abortions.
    That's why there are of organizations that take donations to help women get the abortions they need.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The money used for abortions is either paid by the woman herself or partly paid by herself and taken from privately donated funds set aside for abortions.
    If that is the case minnie, then why do they consistently refuse to turn over documentation proving such to congress?
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Planned Parenthood charges for abortions.
    There are no sliding scales for their abortions.
    That's why there are of organizations that take donations to help women get the abortions they need.
    Planned Parenthood has costs associated with providing its services. Funding some of those services allows more of its' funds to go towards providing the others. You seem to be confusing "mitigating costs" with "completely covering costs".

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    From the following Washington Post article:


    So though the fight over Planned Parenthood might be about abortion, Planned Parenthood itself isn’t about abortion.
    It’s primarily about contraception and reproductive health. And if Planned Parenthood loses funding, what will mainly happen is that cancer screenings and contraception and STD testing will become less available to poorer people. Folks with more money, of course, have many other ways to receive all these services, and tend to get them elsewhere already.
    The fight also isn’t about cutting spending. The services Planned Parenthood provides save the federal government a lot of money. It’s somewhat cold to put it in these terms, but taxpayers end up bearing a lot of the expense for unintended pregnancies among people without the means to care for their children. The same goes for preventable cancers and sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV/AIDS.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...Pa2C_blog.html
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I donate to the abortion funds.
    Thanks for sharing. How many needless, violent killings are you directly and personally responsible for by now?

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    As a Libertarian I am not for outlawing abortions outright, but I am for removal of how we seem to have circumvented the Hyde Amendment.

    There seems to be a fair level of confusion and concern with what Planned Parenthood is using their well north of $1 Million per day from the government to exactly fund. There is very little accounting of what Planned Parenthood allocates that money to other than "services." Under that category ends up just about all Planned Parenthood does, and as of recent Planned Parenthood rejects the idea of being accountable to the GAO or Congress on where all that money goes.

    But more to the point of this thread it is not a general statement about medical procedures funded by the government, just a point of contention on where the line should be for the abortion debate. It seems to me a good compromise between the pro-abortion group and pro-life group is to ensure government is entirely out of the mix. Put the onus on the individual to decide these things and fund their own decision to end life. There may be a certain subset of conditions where a government funded abortion to those of need is acceptable in those cases of rape, incest, etc. But we seem to be shying away from that conversation here, and I would be against more government funding of any regard (especially in the context of this topic.)

    I have no choice ideologically to be against the idea that we have designed a way for an organization to perform so many abortions, seemingly on the government dime, with zero accountability as to the numbers of abortions they have achieved and how they funded all these procedures. I am not asking for HIPAA or ACA privacy laws to be broken, just some degree of reporting to ensure that Planned Parenthood is doing what they claim they are.
    It was a serious question. I dont know the level or or assignment of any other govt funding of medical procedures or reproductive measures.

    I can see pluses and minuses for having govt funding for abortion or birth control. For example I can see advantages for society if we allow such funding. But if we consider it elective health care, then no. (Then I also consider maternity care as not subsidized by health coverage too).

    If we dont fund from a moral standpoint, that certainly should be examined.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, that's not true...The provisions about reporting were at odds within the caucus, but they absolutely should have passed it, and worked out the differences later.

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    Has nothing to do with abortion but I hate when ANY group of lawmakers in any party just pass something and 'work out the details later.' THat is crap. We saw a bunch of stuff like that when they tried to rush gun control laws on us. We just got stuck with one here in WA. We also just passed a school bill that we had no idea how we were going to fund. They actually said 'we'll figure that out later.' We did it with a pie in the sky monorail too. And then had to figure out had to do it.

    They pass things they cant enforce and cant pay for and dont even know how to administer. And alot of it is 'feel good' legislation that doesnt really 'do' anything. Like changing the time limits for when women can have abortions. Feel good but of no value. They dont occur except for medical necessity. Canada has no time limits and have fewer abortions/population and few to no late term abortions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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