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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

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    No amendment is needed. The Constitution already gives Congress this power.
    I'm going to regret asking this. Where does the Constitution give Congress the power to overstep the separation of powers?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Precisely. Because, as everyone knows, money isn't fungible.
    The funds reimbursed to Planned Parenthood isn't really fungible.
    That's a talking point that has no real basis in the case of Planned Parenthood funds.

    All money donated to Planned Parenthood that is earmarked for cetain service goes to that service.
    Funds for breast cancer sevices goes to help more women obtain breast screening exams.

    Abortion clinics charge the patients for abortions.
    Over 200,000 women request help paying for their abortions every year.

    Private donations help women pay for their abortions.
    From the fund abortion now .org site:
    Where do abortion funds get their money?

    Nearly all abortion funds get their money from private donors who care about abortion access.
    The people who donate to abortion funds believe that every woman has a right to make the decision that’s best for her life and her situation, regardless of how much money she has in the bank.

    Can abortion funds pay the whole cost of my abortion?

    Sadly, abortion funds cannot afford to cover the whole cost of your abortion. There are 200,000 women every single year who need help paying for an abortion, and right now there’s just not enough money to go around.

    Abortion funds will give you as much as they can. They may also help you to get a clinic discount. Make sure to ask.
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    In the following <SNIP> a women with 5 children resells of of struggles to try to raise money for an abortion when her husband was laid off his job during the last recession and she found out she was expecting again. Because they loved their children very much they decided she needed an abortion.She sold her wedding ring and other items but still did not have enough to pay the abortion so she aked for help funding the abortion:



    Here is a <SNIP> from her story.

    Sonia has 5 kids and her husband was just laid off.

    I love my big family...and I love my children too much to have another baby right now.

    My husband and I have five children. We love kids and we love having a big family. But when my husband got laid off from his contractor job, having a big family got really hard.

    When I found out I was pregnant again, it was terrifying. We love the idea of another child -- but we love the children we have too much to add that kind of stress to our family right now.

    I'm only working part-time and I couldn't get maternity leave, so I might not be able to keep my job with another little one. I hated that we had to make this decision, but it turned out that making the decision was the easiest part. Because then we had to find the money to pay for an abortion.

    We started taking stuff to the pawn shop: our vacuum cleaner, my wedding ring, our family television, the old desktop computer. When that wasn't enough, we took my husband's tools and his drills.

    We started taking stuff to the pawn shop: our vacuum cleaner, my wedding ring, our family television, the old desktop computer. When that wasn't enough, we took my husband's tools and his drills.

    That was the hardest trip. My husband's been trying to pick up construction work. Without his tools or his drills, there's hardly anyone who'll hire him.

    And after all that, we were short on what we needed. But the woman at the clinic gave us the name of an abortion fund.

    An abortion fund. Who knew, right?

    They gave us what we needed.

    And when I broke down on the phone and admitted that we didn't even have gas money to get to the clinic, they helped us with that, too.

    So now I pay the pawn shop every month to keep our things -- my wedding ring and my husband's tools are the only ones we can afford to pay on. And if you miss a month, the payment is doubled from then on. So we're stuck in this cycle. We'll be paying for this abortion for a long time.

    But the panic is gone. The rest of it, well...we'll figure it out. We'll do whatever we have to do to take care of our family.
    Sonia has 5 kids and her husband was just laid off. | Fund Abortion Now.org
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good grief, try and follow a conversation. You stated they didn't drop it. I stated that they did. You said they didn't again. DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE?!?! They dropped it.



    I didn't post any article. Republicans were scared of what women voters thought of their policies on abortion so they dropped the bill. Own it.
    Sigh* for the FOURTH DAMNED TIME, LISTEN UP! I agree that they "shelved", "dropped for now", "failed to consider", what ever the hell you call it, and should have absolutely passed it, and fixed it later...Now just what the hell is your problem? Any more of this baiting from you, and I will do something I rarely do, which is report it....You aren't in here to discuss anything, just brow beat a stupid non distinction to argue, and bait....There is a name for people like you, but like I said, if you want a conversation, then by all means continue, otherwise I am done with you here...You bring NOTHING to this thread.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The funds reimbursed to Planned Parenthood isn't really fungible.
    That's a talking point that has no real basis in the case of Planned Parenthood funds.
    money is inherently fungible. That's like arguing that the water in planned parenthoods' water fountains isn't wet.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I agree that they "shelved", "dropped for now", "failed to consider", what ever the hell you call it,
    Let's play "Who Said What":

    Hatuey said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nothing needed to be tweaked. They pulled it because they were worried about the next election.
    Who said This:

    No, they didn't drop it,
    If you get it right, I get to call you honest. I'm glad you stopped going after the "you posted this" nonsense. I wouldn't want you to actually read a thread before deciding to lob out accusations.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    [QUOTE=minnie616;1064229407]The funds reimbursed to Planned Parenthood isn't really fungible.
    That's a talking point that has no real basis in the case of Planned Parenthood funds.

    All money donated to Planned Parenthood that is earmarked for cetain service goes to that service.
    Funds for breast cancer sevices goes to help more women obtain breast screening exams.

    Abortion clinics charge the patients for abortions.
    Over 200,000 women request help paying for their abortions every year.

    Private donations help women pay for their abortions.
    From the fund abortion now .org site:


    In the following <SNIP> a women with 5 children resells of of struggles to try to raise money for an abortion when her husband was laid off his job during the last recession and she found out she was expecting again. Because they loved their children very much they decided she needed an abortion.She sold her wedding ring and other items but still did not have enough to pay the abortion so she aked for help funding the abortion:



    Here is a <SNIP> from her story.


    Sonia has 5 kids and her husband was just laid off. | Fund Abortion Now.org

    Wait, wait....This is too damned rich....minnie you can do better than this....A claim that PP separates its funds, but refuses to turn over its financial information to congress that has asked, so you use a militant pro choice group to echo the false claim that tax dollars aren't going to abortions, when everyone with eyes, and ears knows damned well it is? Then you try to back it up with an appeal to emotion in an anecdotal bunch of tear jerking nonsense?

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is money fungible Minnie?
    Not for abortions at Planned Parenthood.

    Read my reply post #72.

    About 200,000 women ask for help paying for their abortions every year.
    Private money is donated to help these women but there are not enough funds to fully cover any of the abortions.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary | Fox News


    My my my, those GOP members have been busy creating jobs bill after jobs bill, but managed to write legislation to overturn Roe v Wade,
    then they decided to kill their own bill because they didn't want to offend female GOP members. Hypocrites.

    What morons.
    wasting taxpayer time money writing stupid bills, no wonder the congress has a low favorability rating.
    Congress was split when their favorability was at it's lowest. Remember, Dems had the senate. Repubs just gained office... lol

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    Dumb. Nothing is there that couldn't have been worked out, and limiting abortion past pain-capable is a popular position in the US. Force the President to veto it or Senate Democrats to filibuster it, and make them go on record as well to the left of the American populace.
    ever consider that the problem for the GOP isn't a fear of offending women but a fear of offending men who oppose abortion altogether? It makes it look like the GOP has caved on abortion and that might not be so good for candidates facing primary challenges in 2016.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    money is inherently fungible. That's like arguing that the water in planned parenthoods' water fountains isn't wet.
    The money used for abortions is either paid by the woman herself or partly paid by herself and taken from privately donated funds set aside for abortions.

    I donate to the abortion funds. I do not donate money for the water fountains.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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