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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This isn't "dictating personal behavior" for the pro-life portion of this nation. This is about stopping mass-murder. I would vote the country into absolute socialism if it meant getting rid of abortion. Ppeople who are poor and occasionally hungry are at least alive.
    Have you ever lived in a poor community? Surrounded by constant fear and predators and trying to keep your kids not only safe but from joining it? Trying to just get them to finish school and get out? I used to do education in inner city schools and parks. It's not just about occasionally being hungry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    McConnell would have never brought it to a vote.
    He has too many vulnerable Senators up for reelection in 2016, 24 total.
    So continue to expect the House toilet paper to end up in the Majority Leader's circular file, only this time it isn't Reid's .

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    Dumb. Nothing is there that couldn't have been worked out, and limiting abortion past pain-capable is a popular position in the US. Force the President to veto it or Senate Democrats to filibuster it, and make them go on record as well to the left of the American populace.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I would rather that Republicans focus on ending government funded abortions,
    instead of working so hard to define limits which give us these sort of problems to contend with.
    This is already the law--the Hyde amendment.
    The GOP continues to duplicate this law due to it being anti-Government, anti-Abortion and playing to their base .
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Once again we see the pro-life/anti-abortion GOPs concerned about fetuses until they're born.
    Then we see Paul Ryan and his new policies aimed at cutting the social safety nets to these very babies after they are born.
    Just as the GOP has now recently discovered that there is a Middle-Class .

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    Have you ever lived in a poor community? Surrounded by constant fear and predators and trying to keep your kids not only safe but from joining it? Trying to just get them to finish school and get out? I used to do education in inner city schools and parks. It's not just about occasionally being hungry.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    From your own article, it appears there were real concerns with the Bill.
    It was not about "offending" female GOP congress members.
    This bill was most certainly about "offending" female GOP Congresswomen.
    As well as the rape matters you offered up.
    Not to mention that it raised taxes on Small Businesses.
    Charlie Dent is one of the few GOPs honest enough to laugh out loud at his own caucus .
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Kinda stupid (not surprising):



    --do fetuses from rape not feel pain?

    --it just ignores that the procedure could be done with fetal anesthesia and no pain?

    --late term abortions are only 1.2 % of all abortions and those are almost all...if not all...medically necessary? So it's useless, 'feel-good' legislation?

    And note that it says "victims of rape that have already been reported to authorities" so that those sluts cant lie & make up a rape just to get rid of it if they change their minds later. (As if a real rape victim wouldnt have done this as soon as they realized they were pregnant...tests are done automatically after rapes.)

    So that one is just pandering to the ignorant who dont actually think. That way they can just feel better about the law....no "good" women will need to suffer. Just the sluts.
    Good women don't get abortions unles the pregnancy will kill them. Abortion is child abuse and child abusers are bad people.

    Rape is not an excuse to abort.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Good women don't get abortions unles the pregnancy will kill them. Abortion is child abuse and child abusers are bad people.

    Rape is not an excuse to abort.
    Thank you for confirming my post. Or at least most of it. Kudos to you for being consistent on abortion in the case of rape. (no sarcasm)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Ive gone on record many times saying i would support a 20/21wk date based on earliest possible VIABILITY (based on SCIENCE) but nothing else.
    Also the limit would be a soft limit for the usual reason INCLUDING elevated health risks to mother or child

    the main problem with this bill was this:

    "The failed bill, which reflected the idea(dont care about any "ideas") that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks, would have criminalized virtually all (what does this mean) abortions for pregnancies of 20 weeks or longer. It would offer some exceptions (what exceptions), including for victims of rape that have already been reported to authorities."

    any bill that is simply to restrictive in one direction or another i wont support and most of the public wont either IMO
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Why? I understand it's an unpleasant and polarizing subject but society benefits from the option of abortion.

    Is it a general statement that no medical procedures should be govt funded? I can see a case to be made for that but things like vaccines and other public health measures receive subsidies from the govt. Probably lots of things I'm not aware of.

    From a funding standpoint...why is that bad?
    As a Libertarian I am not for outlawing abortions outright, but I am for removal of how we seem to have circumvented the Hyde Amendment.

    There seems to be a fair level of confusion and concern with what Planned Parenthood is using their well north of $1 Million per day from the government to exactly fund. There is very little accounting of what Planned Parenthood allocates that money to other than "services." Under that category ends up just about all Planned Parenthood does, and as of recent Planned Parenthood rejects the idea of being accountable to the GAO or Congress on where all that money goes.

    But more to the point of this thread it is not a general statement about medical procedures funded by the government, just a point of contention on where the line should be for the abortion debate. It seems to me a good compromise between the pro-abortion group and pro-life group is to ensure government is entirely out of the mix. Put the onus on the individual to decide these things and fund their own decision to end life. There may be a certain subset of conditions where a government funded abortion to those of need is acceptable in those cases of rape, incest, etc. But we seem to be shying away from that conversation here, and I would be against more government funding of any regard (especially in the context of this topic.)

    I have no choice ideologically to be against the idea that we have designed a way for an organization to perform so many abortions, seemingly on the government dime, with zero accountability as to the numbers of abortions they have achieved and how they funded all these procedures. I am not asking for HIPAA or ACA privacy laws to be broken, just some degree of reporting to ensure that Planned Parenthood is doing what they claim they are.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This bill was most certainly about "offending" female GOP Congresswomen.
    As well as the rape matters you offered up.
    Not to mention that it raised taxes on Small Businesses.
    Charlie Dent is one of the few GOPs honest enough to laugh out loud at his own caucus .
    It may be your opinion, but the OP article does not really say that. It clearly states plenty of problems with the bill that appear to have no offered solutions, so support was lost.
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