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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hm. Interesting analogy. Move the football... Would you consider what the news story is discussing "moving" the football? Cause it seems to me like they fumbled it.
    I would concur with that. On the 5 yard line, no less. 95 yards to go, and we fumble

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nothing needed to be tweaked. They pulled it because they were worried about the next election. Read paragraph 1:

    House Republicans drop controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary | Fox News

    Why not stand up and proudly propose it if their mandate is what the American people want? Reality is about to start crashing down on the GOPs policies.
    Meh, this just proves the point that conservatives make that the "centrist" Republicans believe what Democrats tell them about the electorate. Women are more likely to support restricting abortion in this manner than men.

    ....In the Post-ABC poll, rather than choosing between a 20-week ban and the current 24 weeks, 8 percent of women volunteered that abortion should never be legal, and 3 percent volunteered that the window should be smaller than 20 weeks. If you add them to the 60 percent of women who support the 20-week abortion ban, then 71 percent of women would seem to support the effort to increase abortion restrictions.

    The Quinnipiac poll, meanwhile, shows 60 percent of women support the 20-week ban and 8 percent volunteer that it should never be legal, which again suggests that two-thirds of women could be supportive....

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    I appreciate that legislators are capable of doing more than one thing at a time, but it would benefit both America and the Republican Party if they could spend a little less time on divisive social issues and a whole lot more time on solving the economic and financial issues of which there are many. Once the debt giant is slain, the ACA mess is cleaned up, national security issues are resolved, illegal aliens are dealt with, etc., perhaps then the American people might be more receptive to politicians getting on their high-horses and dictating personal behaviour.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Well well well...


    ...But Republican leaders dropped those plans after failing to win over a bloc of lawmakers, led by Reps. Rene Ellmers (R-N.C.) and Jackie Walorski (R-Ind.)...

    Seeking to rebut growing criticism from conservatives, Ellmers said on Facebook Wednesday evening that she would vote for the bill: "I have and will continue to be a strong defender of the prolife community," she wrote....
    Looks like someone was two-faced to their voters.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate that legislators are capable of doing more than one thing at a time, but it would benefit both America and the Republican Party if they could spend a little less time on divisive social issues and a whole lot more time on solving the economic and financial issues of which there are many. Once the debt giant is slain, the ACA mess is cleaned up, national security issues are resolved, illegal aliens are dealt with, etc., perhaps then the American people might be more receptive to politicians getting on their high-horses and dictating personal behaviour.
    This isn't "dictating personal behavior" for the pro-life portion of this nation. This is about stopping mass-murder. I would vote the country into absolute socialism if it meant getting rid of abortion. Ppeople who are poor and occasionally hungry are at least alive.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This isn't "dictating personal behavior" for the pro-life portion of this nation. This is about stopping mass-murder. I would vote the country into absolute socialism if it meant getting rid of abortion. Ppeople who are poor and occasionally hungry are at least alive.
    While I agree with you on the issue, my point was related to timing and accomplishment of what's possible not what's fancied. There isn't a hope in hell that any bill that alters access to abortion will become law in the governing scenario currently in place. In order for that to become possible, the Republicans will have to win the White House and likely have to be in position to replace Ginsberg and perhaps Kennedy or Breyer on the Supreme Court to have the votes to survive a judicial challenge. Wasting time on this issue now can only serve to make taking the White House and improving odds on the court even a greater challenge.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Only way to do that is with an amendment, which would never pass.
    No amendment is needed. The Constitution already gives Congress this power.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Kinda stupid (not surprising):

    The failed bill, which reflected the idea that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks, would have criminalized virtually all abortions for pregnancies of 20 weeks or longer. It would offer some exceptions, including for victims of rape that have already been reported to authorities.
    --do fetuses from rape not feel pain?

    --it just ignores that the procedure could be done with fetal anesthesia and no pain?

    --late term abortions are only 1.2 % of all abortions and those are almost all...if not all...medically necessary? So it's useless, 'feel-good' legislation?

    And note that it says "victims of rape that have already been reported to authorities" so that those sluts cant lie & make up a rape just to get rid of it if they change their minds later. (As if a real rape victim wouldnt have done this as soon as they realized they were pregnant...tests are done automatically after rapes.)

    So that one is just pandering to the ignorant who dont actually think. That way they can just feel better about the law....no "good" women will need to suffer. Just the sluts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I would rather that Republicans focus on ending government funded abortions,
    Why? I understand it's an unpleasant and polarizing subject but society benefits from the option of abortion.

    Is it a general statement that no medical procedures should be govt funded? I can see a case to be made for that but things like vaccines and other public health measures receive subsidies from the govt. Probably lots of things I'm not aware of.

    From a funding standpoint...why is that bad?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Then what's the point of addressing 1% of abortions? Rhetoric? How can they possibly claim any sort of victory on the issue? Or is the get work mentality of the GOP only for the papers?
    Feel-good legislation for the uninformed. It 'sounds' good because most people think that those having abortions are mostly sluts who just casually change their mind about the inconveniences of pregnancy/kids from day to day. ("If she didnt want a baby she shouldnt have had sex!")
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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