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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Easy: Modest-sized families. But that has become the norm nowadays, as most women don't view themselves as baby factories. And I find your question about immigration to be insinuating.
    The answer is easy, and you're trying too hard...When birth rates are outpaced by death rates, and immigration, the country either dies out, or is taken over...That simple...
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Easy: Modest-sized families. But that has become the norm nowadays, as most women don't view themselves as baby factories. And I find your question about immigration to be insinuating.
    There were reasons back-in-the-day for large families being the norm. And I find your insinuation that those women who want to have many children regard themselves as "baby factories" pretty insulting.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah. There is the problem - the point wooshed completely by you. I was stating that socialism causes poverty and hunger, but that both were preferable to death, which is why socialism is preferable to me as a conservative to mass-abortion.
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    This isn't "dictating personal behavior" for the pro-life portion of this nation. This is about stopping mass-murder. I would vote the country into absolute socialism if it meant getting rid of abortion. Ppeople who are poor and occasionally hungry are at least alive.
    Wow, this country was founded on so much more. The thought of involuntary socialism disgusts me, and to want and expect EVERYONE to live like that and just in order to take choice away from women, to subject EVERYONE to a much lower standard of living? *shudder*


    I think you make a fantastic point. Instead of just desiring to reduce women or families that cant afford more kids and must live in poverty and unsafe neighborhoods (hey even welfare doesnt get you out of there) you would prefer to condemn EVERYONE to live that way! Everyone would actually have to accept the same consequences that you desire to force on women. Good point indeed. Actually it is more fair. Not completely of course.

    All because you believe the unborn are as important as the born. Well, that's your opinion and it's fairly common. I dont. And I dont believe condemning all people to a society of lackluster mediocrity for the unborn....it's called quality of life over quantity.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    This must be a left/right thing. I tend to start from the assumption that the rights of the individual generally trump what is most convenient for society.
    Yes. Individuals are born. And I support the rights of the born.

    It is not possible to give both the unborn and the born equal rights.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What do you think happens to a country when the birth rate falls lower than the death rate, or is outpaced by immigration?
    So lots more kids born with higher risks of poverty, not finishing their educations, ending up criminals, being additional burdens on society....that's much better for the economy?

    Quality of life is more important than quantity, but that's just my opinion.

    The reality is that in 40+ years, the abortion rate has steadily gone down and more women choose to give birth than have abortions.

    So please give up the 'sky is falling' abortion drama. No one has shown any harm to society by abortion. However we know that children of single mother homes or families in poverty (where they cant afford more kids) have higher risks of juvenile delinquency, dropping out of school, lower rates of getting higher ed and careers instead of jobs, becoming criminals, staying in the welfare cycle, etc. So the idea of using the law to demand more be born into such situations is ludicrous IMO.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The answer is easy, and you're trying too hard...When birth rates are outpaced by death rates, and immigration, the country either dies out, or is taken over...That simple...
    That sounds like a good reason why we should have respected the Natives instead of decimating them.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    There were reasons back-in-the-day for large families being the norm. And I find your insinuation that those women who want to have many children regard themselves as "baby factories" pretty insulting.
    Facts are insulting? Well then. You learn something every day around here.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So lots more kids born with higher risks of poverty, not finishing their educations, ending up criminals, being additional burdens on society....that's much better for the economy?

    Quality of life is more important than quantity, but that's just my opinion.

    The reality is that in 40+ years, the abortion rate has steadily gone down and more women choose to give birth than have abortions.

    So please give up the 'sky is falling' abortion drama. No one has shown any harm to society by abortion. However we know that children of single mother homes or families in poverty (where they cant afford more kids) have higher risks of juvenile delinquency, dropping out of school, lower rates of getting higher ed and careers instead of jobs, becoming criminals, staying in the welfare cycle, etc. So the idea of using the law to demand more be born into such situations is ludicrous IMO.
    So, just say it out loud...you consider abortion a matter of convenience....

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251
    That sounds like a good reason why we should have respected the Natives instead of decimating them.
    Oh, so now its a matter of past transgressions eh? How in the world do you put the two even in the same thread, unless you have seething contempt for this nation.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, just say it out loud...you consider abortion a matter of convenience....

    If a woman doesnt want to lose out on her education or miss work and lose her job during pregnancy, or have to move to an unsafe neighborhood with her other children to afford rent or not to go college or not be able to pay her bills....that is not up to you or anyone else, you are not the one dealing with the consequences. Do you teach your own kids that those things in life are just 'conveniences?' Or are they important responsibilities in life that determine the direction and quality of their lives? A woman does not have to give those things up or delay them and struggle and maybe never reach her own potential just because other people consider the unborn more important than her.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If a woman doesnt want to lose out on her education or miss work and lose her job during pregnancy, or have to move to an unsafe neighborhood with her other children to afford rent or not to go college or not be able to pay her bills....that is not up to you or anyone else, you are not the one dealing with the consequences. Do you teach your own kids that those things in life are just 'conveniences?' Or are they important responsibilities in life that determine the direction and quality of their lives? A woman does not have to give those things up or delay them and struggle and maybe never reach her own potential just because other people consider the unborn more important than her.
    Then she should have kept her legs closed....But I see you think it is ok to murder a child as long as you have a career to further, or an education to finish....Your thought process here to me on that is disgusting....
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then she should have kept her legs closed....But I see you think it is ok to murder a child as long as you have a career to further, or an education to finish....Your thought process here to me on that is disgusting....
    So the kid is just punishment for having sex then? OK, I may not place as much value on the unborn but I certainly value kids. So you might look in the mirror regarding that 'disgusting' comment.

    And you couldnt even answer my question honestly..."Do you teach your own kids that those things in life are just 'conveniences?' Or are they important responsibilities in life that determine the direction and quality of their lives? "

    It's probably too much to ask why you think you have the right to judge a woman and decide the unborn is more entitled to all those things than her.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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