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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How so?
    Artical 3, Section 2, peragraph 2:
    In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

    ​Congress can just take away the Supreme Court's right to hear any abortion case when the case comes to the Supreme Court on an appetite basis, as they all do, including Roe v. Wade. This is true for free speech, gun ownership, etc. Literally any right can be stripped with such a Congressional act and there's nothing the Supreme Court could do about it. This is where armed citizens come into the picture to set things right....

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's easy to loose sight of what you are talking about when you try to use percentages to describe what is taking place here....using your number of 1.2% that would account for somewhere around 15,000 abortions would it not? Think about that...15,000 people....Most of which, IMHO, are out of convenience....So, you really want to go down the "morals" road?
    No...you misread. THose 1.2% are 'medically necessary.' To save the mother's life, to prevent her kidneys from failing, to terminate a severely defective fetus.

    I thought I made that quite clear in my post. So you think those 15,000 women arent people? Or you just consider their lives and health 'conveniences?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The point is, they dont.

    Those are 1.2% of all abortions and they are done to save the life of the mother or in the case of a severely defective fetus.

    Women do not seek 'casual' abortions after that time because it amounts to induced labor. Just as painful and sometimes more dangerous. The anesthetized, dead fetus must still be delivered vaginally. Just like a late stillbirth. If you can provide some data on how many of these occur, please share it.
    Do you really want to go down the "morals" road?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No...you misread. THose 1.2% are 'medically necessary.' To save the mother's life, to prevent her kidneys from failing, to terminate a severely defective fetus.

    I thought I made that quite clear in my post. So you think those 15,000 women arent people? Or you just consider their lives and health 'conveniences?'
    Those women can defend themselves...Their babies can't
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure. And pro-choicers are only in it because they love sawing up little children while they scream inside the womb.



    what idiocy.
    Now, now. No need for the childishness. We had something good going; let's try and get back to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Some of them. I'm a fan of his arguing to increase the child tax credit, and I think generally that providing maternity leave is wise, but worry about its' unintended negative effects (if women come with more expenses and risks, fewer of them will be hired in the first place). But I think the "$500 if both parents work" thing is kind of a dumb gimmick, and one that works to value women who earn income over those who raise their children full time. I have a problem with that.
    Alright, raising the child tax credit. That is a good start. Let's perhaps cap that increase at a certain number, say, 4 or 5, to avoid rewarding families such as the Duggars.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Artical 3, Section 2, peragraph 2:
    In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

    ​Congress can just take away the Supreme Court's right to hear any abortion case when the case comes to the Supreme Court on an appetite basis, as they all do, including Roe v. Wade. This is true for free speech, gun ownership, etc. Literally any right can be stripped with such a Congressional act and there's nothing the Supreme Court could do about it. This is where armed citizens come into the picture to set things right....


    Yeah, no thanks, I'd rather not live in a nation where the solution advocated is to shoot it out.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's easy to loose sight of what you are talking about when you try to use percentages to describe what is taking place here....using your number of 1.2% that would account for somewhere around 15,000 abortions would it not? Think about that...15,000 people....Most of which, IMHO, are out of convenience....So, you really want to go down the "morals" road?
    Did you not read what Lursa posted about abortions that take place at or after 20 weeks gestations?

    When an abortion takes place that late it puts the woman's life at risk.
    Any woman in her right mind would not choose to go through an abortion at or after 20 weeks gestation unless the fetus health or her health was in danger.
    At that stage the woman still has go through labor and delivery ...

    only the labor is not natural it is induced and since the fetus is already dead ( before an abortion at or after 20 weeks gestation starts the fetus has to be given a fatal injection into its heart) the induced labor that takes place it is much harder on the woman's body, the abortion is more likely to cause injury to woman's cervix possibly causing a lot of pain and perhaps even a life threatening infection which would be very rare in a live birth delivery.

    Convenience? No! There is no way one could ever consider an abortion at or after 20 weeks gestation a convenience.


    Let me tell you I have given birth to 4 children and when my 3rd child who was 10 pounds and one ounce was delivered with no meds because he was stressed with the cord wrapped around his neck that labor and delivery did not cause me as much pain as the miscarriage ( no induction it was a natural miscarriage ) I had at about 20 weeks gestation of my malformed little one.
    Last edited by minnie616; 01-23-15 at 03:55 PM.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Did you not read what Lursa posted about abortions that take place at or after 20 weeks gestations?

    When an abortion takes place that late it puts the woman's life at risk.
    Any woman in her right mind would never want to go through an abortion at 20 weeks gestation.
    At stage the woman still has go through labor and delivery ...

    only the labor is not natural it is induced and since the fetus is already dead ( before an abortion at or after 20 weeks gestation starts the fetus has to be given a fatal injection into its heart) the induction of labor that takes place it is much harder on the woman's body, the abortion is more likely to cause injury to woman's cervix possibly causing a lot of pain and perhaps even a life threatening infection which would be very rare in a live birth delivery.

    Convenience? No! There is no way one could ever consider an abortion at or after 20 weeks gestation a convenience.


    Let me tell you I have given birth to 4 children and when my 3rd child who was 10 pounds and ounce was delivered with no meds because he was stressed with the cord wrapped around his neck that deliverers did not cause me as much pain as the miscarriage I had at about 20 weeks gestation of my malformed little one.
    Uh huh....No disrespect minnie, but your experience is irrelevant here.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Those women can defend themselves...Their babies can't
    And your point is? Women deserve to die or have permanent health damage but the unborn dont?

    Is there a reason you feel the unborn is more deserving of life or health than a born person?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Uh huh....No disrespect minnie, but your experience is irrelevant here.
    Why? Real life examples are valid ways of illustrating a point arent they?

    not only that, she elaborated on the consequences of the induced labor after 20 weeks that I described.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Uh huh....No disrespect minnie, but your experience is irrelevant here.
    I out of about 20 pregnancies ihas genetic abnormalities.
    I was unlucky I had a pregnancy that became a malformed fetus.
    I was lucky that it died and miscarried naturally so that I did not not have to have a life saving abortion.
    Last edited by minnie616; 01-23-15 at 04:22 PM.
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