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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You and I both know that the "pro-life" movement is not at all about preventing abortions.
    sure. And pro-choicers are only in it because they love sawing up little children while they scream inside the womb.



    what idiocy.
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1776 View Post
    I think that just shows that the GOP no longer runs on principle or morals. The GOP needs to be defunded.
    We shouldn't have political parties in the first place.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You do? Great! Then I am sure you support Obama's childcare initiatives that he announced in the SOTU, plus other measures that support the lives and well-being of children and their parents. Right?
    Some of them. I'm a fan of his arguing to increase the child tax credit, and I think generally that providing maternity leave is wise, but worry about its' unintended negative effects (if women come with more expenses and risks, fewer of them will be hired in the first place). But I think the "$500 if both parents work" thing is kind of a dumb gimmick, and one that works to value women who earn income over those who raise their children full time. I have a problem with that.

    Hey, I'm all in favor of reducing the number of abortions, IF it is done by proactively addressing the root causes of abortion and not reactively making it harder and harder for women to obtain abortions.
    The root cause of abortion is the act. The motivations can differ.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Has nothing to do with abortion but I hate when ANY group of lawmakers in any party just pass something and 'work out the details later.' THat is crap. We saw a bunch of stuff like that when they tried to rush gun control laws on us. We just got stuck with one here in WA. We also just passed a school bill that we had no idea how we were going to fund. They actually said 'we'll figure that out later.' We did it with a pie in the sky monorail too. And then had to figure out had to do it.

    They pass things they cant enforce and cant pay for and dont even know how to administer. And alot of it is 'feel good' legislation that doesnt really 'do' anything. Like changing the time limits for when women can have abortions. Feel good but of no value. They dont occur except for medical necessity. Canada has no time limits and have fewer abortions/population and few to no late term abortions.
    Do you feel that a woman should be seeking an abortion after 20 weeks?
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No amendment is needed. The Constitution already gives Congress this power.
    How so?
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you feel that a woman should be seeking an abortion after 20 weeks?
    The point is, they dont.

    Those are 1.2% of all abortions and they are done to save the life of the mother or in the case of a severely defective fetus.

    Women do not seek 'casual' abortions after that time because it amounts to induced labor. Just as painful and sometimes more dangerous. The anesthetized, dead fetus must still be delivered vaginally. Just like a late stillbirth. If you can provide some data on how many of these occur, please share it.

    My personal feelings should not matter in this discussion but no, I dont think she should seek an abortion that's not medically necessary after viability but to me, anyone that would would make a horrible mother. But that is judgement and doesnt belong in this type of discussion. I base my views on facts and results.

    So as I posted earlier, I dont believe in useless, 'feel-good' legislation and I certainly dont believe in bigger govt. I'm surprised at the level of intrusion into people's lives and bigger govt that so many conservatives support on this issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure. And pro-choicers are only in it because they love sawing up little children while they scream inside the womb.

    I note that you ignored my response to your glib and innaccurate characterization of poverty.

    So humane of you to think the govt should demand it of women that get pregnant and then just leave their to grow up like this, with a greater likelihood of becoming less educated, more criminal, and more of a burden on society financially in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This isn't "dictating personal behavior" for the pro-life portion of this nation. This is about stopping mass-murder. I would vote the country into absolute socialism if it meant getting rid of abortion. Ppeople who are poor and occasionally hungry are at least alive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Have you ever lived in a poor community? Surrounded by constant fear and predators and trying to keep your kids not only safe but from joining it? Trying to just get them to finish school and get out? I used to do education in inner city schools and parks. It's not just about occasionally being hungry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure. And pro-choicers are only in it because they love sawing up little children while they scream inside the womb.
    Stop messing with my hobby!
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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's a % increase. You could apply it equally across all operations if you wanted to use that theoretical, but the only place to know is to take the funding away and then see what they cut.
    It's silly to think they need more of any of the things I named, plus alot of other infrastructure just for abortion. That's a desperate reach.

    Not worth seriously considering but it is a common talking point from those objecting to abortion....another one of those things that 'sounds good' but doesnt really make a difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: House GOP drops controversial abortion bill ahead of Roe v. Wade anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The point is, they dont.

    Those are 1.2% of all abortions and they are done to save the life of the mother or in the case of a severely defective fetus.

    Women do not seek 'casual' abortions after that time because it amounts to induced labor. Just as painful and sometimes more dangerous. The anesthetized, dead fetus must still be delivered vaginally. Just like a late stillbirth. If you can provide some data on how many of these occur, please share it.

    My personal feelings should not matter in this discussion but no, I dont think she should seek an abortion that's not medically necessary after viability but to me, anyone that would would make a horrible mother. But that is judgement and doesnt belong in this type of discussion. I base my views on facts and results.

    So as I posted earlier, I dont believe in useless, 'feel-good' legislation and I certainly dont believe in bigger govt. I'm surprised at the level of intrusion into people's lives and bigger govt that so many conservatives support on this issue.
    It's easy to loose sight of what you are talking about when you try to use percentages to describe what is taking place here....using your number of 1.2% that would account for somewhere around 15,000 abortions would it not? Think about that...15,000 people....Most of which, IMHO, are out of convenience....So, you really want to go down the "morals" road?
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