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    U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

    The Moscow Times | U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    January 22, 2015

    President Vladimir Putin's new peace proposal for Ukraine is little more than a blueprint for military occupation to secure territory seized by Moscow-backed rebels, the U.S. envoy to the United Nations said on Wednesday. "The plan would seek to legitimize territorial gains made by separatists in September as well as Russian personnel and equipment on the territory of Ukraine," U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told the UN Security Council. "Let us pull the veil away from Putin's peace plan and call it for what it is — a Russian occupation plan," she said during a special meeting of the 15-member body on Ukraine. Power said it was "a plan that would free Russia from the commitment it made in Minsk to withdraw its fighters and return control over the international border to Ukraine." "Time and again President Putin has extended an olive branch in one hand while passing out grad missiles and tanks with the other," she said.
    Indeed. The rebels and Russia signed a document (The Minsk Agreement) which called for a ceasefire and a freeze on troop movements beginning at 1600 GMT on 5 September 2014. It was signed by rebel leaders Aleksandr Zakharchenko and Ihor Plotnytskiy and the Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov. Russia also agreed in Minsk to pull all forces and equipment out of Ukraine. Toilet paper promises.

    Within the past two weeks, rebel forces supplied by and in tandem with Russian forces have launched a major offensive and have captured the Donetsk International Airport and ~500 sq. miles of additional territory. They have attacked on a curved arc beginning at Volnovakha in the southeast, north to Pisky, and east to Stanytsk-Luhanska. These forces now control 7% of Ukraine territory (besides Crimea) and 20% of the population.


    Rebel armored vehicles (supplied by Russia) move towards Slovyanoserbsk in eastern Ukraine on Wednesday 21 January 2015. (Boston Herald)

    January 22, 2015

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, speaking earlier at the World Economic Forum in Davos, said the upsurge in fighting after a nearly month-long lull was prompted by a new surge of Russian forces and weapons. "We have more than 9,000 troops of the Russian Federation on my territory, including more than 500 tanks and heavy artillery and armed personnel carriers," the pro-Western leader said. "Terror is not the problem of Ukraine, and even not the problem of Europe," Poroshenko told the high-powered audience in English. "This is a global problem. If this is not aggression, what is aggression?"

    Kerry accuses rebels of attempting 'blatant land grab'


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Typical Russian and Serbian manouvre.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Russia also agreed in Minsk to pull all forces and equipment out of Ukraine.
    Interesting opinion. This was told Ukrainian Nazis?..

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by bardak View Post
    Interesting opinion. This was told Ukrainian Nazis?..
    Not opinion. Fact. Point 10 of 12 agreed to by Russia in signing the Minsk Agreement...

    10. Withdraw the illegal armed groups, military equipment, as well as fighters and mercenaries from Ukraine.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Not opinion. Fact. Point 10 of 12 agreed to by Russia in signing the Minsk Agreement...
    Why do you think that this applies to Russia? Russia acted as an intermediary, while they themselves were an agreement between Kiev and the militias.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by bardak View Post
    Why do you think that this applies to Russia?
    The followup memorandum signed by Russia on 19 September 2014...
    • To withdraw all foreign mercenaries from the conflict zone
    Ergo...Russian soldiers on "vacation". Rather than withdraw such forces, Putin has injected even more Russian soldiers and equipment into the conflict.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Better get used to it. My bet is that Russia will not allow the west to set up camp in their back yard.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Better get used to it. My bet is that Russia will not allow the west to set up camp in their back yard.
    And why would they? I feel bad for the people of Ukraine who are just pawns in a power play.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I see no problem with Russia taking its proper claim to the Ukraine and to the Crimea because the Ukraine belonged to Russia dating back 250 years to Catherine the Great circa 1764.

    The western territory of the Ukraine was part of old Poland, see LINK.

    Today it is the West being led by the USA who tried to get the Ukraine to pull away from Russia or else none of the present hostilities would have happened.

    I honestly see the actions of their President Putin as being skillful and professional and performed like an expert, while our President Obama speaks like a complete fool where it comes to this American made crisis.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Better get used to it. My bet is that Russia will not allow the west to set up camp in their back yard.
    Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Georgia, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Armenia, Moldova, Transnistria, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and the Arctic. States either already in the Russian sphere or experiencing pressures from Moscow.

    Not including the Arctic claims, that is ~1,456,000+ mi2 of "backyard" which is populated by ~152 million people.


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