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U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

Sietske22 said:
Russian Showed Russian Troops Inside Ukraine - Business Insider

Café encounter exposes reality of Russian soldiers in Ukraine - FT.com
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If you had read the text of the BI photo, you would know that the photo with the patch was added. There were no known photos of fighters with the patch at Donetsk.

"High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. Café encounter exposes reality of Russian soldiers in Ukraine - FT.com
"Fighters from Russia’s restive Chechnya and North Ossetia regions have been playing a visible role on the ground in Donetsk since May, when they first began talking to reporters, including from the Financial Times. While the majority of the men manning the Donetsk and Lugansk rebel-controlled checkpoints are local – as are many of the men taking part in the fighting – there is ample evidence that mercenaries are also present on the ground. Some of them appeared to have been staying at the $100-a-night Donetsk Ramada, one of the few Donetsk hotels that has stayed open throughout the fighting."
The preceding quote seems to be the relevant one from the FT article. So there are mercenaries fighting for the rebels, just like the CIA financed mercenaries fighting for Kiev. This is no surprise.
 
DaveFagan said:
If you had read the text of the BI photo, you would know that the photo with the patch was added. There were no known photos of fighters with the patch at Donetsk.

"High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. Café encounter exposes reality of Russian soldiers in Ukraine - FT.com
"Fighters from Russia’s restive Chechnya and North Ossetia regions have been playing a visible role on the ground in Donetsk since May, when they first began talking to reporters, including from the Financial Times. While the majority of the men manning the Donetsk and Lugansk rebel-controlled checkpoints are local – as are many of the men taking part in the fighting – there is ample evidence that mercenaries are also present on the ground. Some of them appeared to have been staying at the $100-a-night Donetsk Ramada, one of the few Donetsk hotels that has stayed open throughout the fighting."
The preceding quote seems to be the relevant one from the FT article. So there are mercenaries fighting for the rebels, just like the CIA financed mercenaries fighting for Kiev. This is no surprise.
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who photoshopped the Russian Marine patchinto the video?

Russian tv is trying to implicate their own people?
 
Sietske22 said:
who photoshopped the Russian Marine patchinto the video?

Russian tv is trying to implicate their own people?
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Yeh. The Russian media has a lot less perception management because they do not have
massive CIA black budgets to work with. Why don't you show CIA mercenaries and Russian
mercenaries? Both sides of the equation, don't ya' know?
 
DaveFagan said:
Yeh. The Russian media has a lot less perception management because they do not have
massive CIA black budgets to work with. Why don't you show CIA mercenaries and Russian
mercenaries? Both sides of the equation, don't ya' know?
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So you're doubting all of the evidence I provided?

all of the videos, all of the articles, all of the OSCE reports?

Looks like Stalinist paranoia and denial is alive and well.

Next you'll tell us the Holodomor didn't happen, the Katyn Massacre didn't happen, and Cuba had no Soviet nukes.
 
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JP Cusick said:
As already said = "If you do not respect the opinions of others then the defect is in your self and not in our evidence."
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No the actuaul facts consolidated by the verifiable evidence are my only foundation

You are following the unwholesome example of our idiotic leaders
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I don't care about our leaders

I see this pompous pretentious perspective as the same problem with the USA acting as if we do not respect the opinions of Russia, as if our American belligerence is the FACTS and everything from Russia are not respected as being just their opinions, as if we were going to just prance into the Ukraine with our opinionated FACTS which has not turned out as the reality.
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Your subjectivity doesn't matter the facts do

As such Russia has annexed the Crimea as one of their "opinions", and Russia rules over the western Ukraine as another one of their opinions, and they demonstrated to the USA and to Britain that they Russia can attack and can turn us into nuclear ash and rubble as another one of their opinions, while the USA is still being belligerent and arrogant by viewing our demands as being the FACTS as we do not respect the opinions of Russia.
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No thats your interpretation of such events. It bears little resemblance to reality

As such the USA is acting as a land of fools, and it is our disrespect of others which makes our own opinions as worthless and immature
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The USA has nothing whatsoever to do with current events in Ukraine as your manifest inability to establish any evidence for that (despite multiple requests) bears witness
 
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DaveFagan said:
When a person is caught with their pants down, they always claim CT, Conspiracy Theory because they don't think they have to provide any real proof.
I'll be sure to get my infor from Canada, Germany, Finland, Norway, Sweden and New Zealand for it to be good. Glad you updated me on that/
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We should have listened to Patton and followed a trail of nukes to capture Moscow through winter
 
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face said:
We should have listened to Patton and followed a trail of nukes to capture Moscow through winter
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Our boys have winter clothes
 
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face said:
We should have listened to Patton and followed a trail of nukes to capture Moscow through winter
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You do realize that Russia has thousands of Nukes and it is Russian rockets that put many US satellites and supplies and
astronauts in space, or perhaps you don't realize that. They also have Nuke subs, boomers, attack, etc. Satellite surveillance
worldwide, their own GPS and they lost 20 million soldiers defeating Germany in WWII. It doesn't have the debt load of the USA.
Putin has a support rate exceeding 80% wihtin Russia. Russia doesn't want to be trapped in a Central Banking system run by
the Federal Reserve and crooked bankers. The bigger the bank, the bigger the crook. The Western Central banking system
wants Ukraine as nobody in the USA was asked if they wanted Ukraine resources, well except maybe Hunter Biden.
 
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Russia is a one-trick-pony state. You can't buy much prosperity with a devalued petro-currency that nobody else wants.
 
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Simpleχity;1064312695 said:
I do. It seems that you don't. Or it could be just poor form on your part.
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In eighteen months I've posted links to that story a dozen times. You don't care what the SoS had to say about international media anyway.
 
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face said:
When I provide undeniable statistics regarding the majority populations in Eastern Ukraine and you scream "western propaganda" it's clear where you belong. But I guess you're right facts do have a decidedly western bias. :roll:
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Sorry, don't know how young you are, but if you think facts are indigenous to the West, you're naive.
 
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face said:
So no valid rebuttal to speak of. Touche. :roll:
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Actually, I didn't see a rebuttal from you on Mrs. Clinton's testimony, only a dismissal, btw, you really are juvenile.
 
Sietske22 said:
So you're doubting all of the evidence I provided?

all of the videos, all of the articles, all of the OSCE reports?

Looks like Stalinist paranoia and denial is alive and well.

Next you'll tell us the Holodomor didn't happen, the Katyn Massacre didn't happen, and Cuba had no Soviet nukes.
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Just as you deny the long list of CIA atrocities in Latin America, or the abuse of UN R-1973 to conduct regime change in Libya. Or justify the use of nuclear weapons on wholly civilian targets. You know, it's not that Russia hasn't been guilty of its share of atrocity, it's that patronising Americans justify all US atrocity while condemning others. Sick you know.
 
Montecresto said:
Just as you deny the long list of CIA atrocities in Latin America, or the abuse of UN R-1973 to conduct regime change in Libya.
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What the **** are you talking about and who the **** do you think you're talking to?

Is it normal for you to make up fake arguments by your dissenters? I have never argued such things nor believe such things.
 
Sietske22 said:
What the **** are you talking about and who the **** do you think you're talking to?

Is it normal for you to make up fake arguments by your dissenters? I have never argued such things nor believe such things.
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Who the **** am I talking to??
 
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DaveFagan said:
You do realize that Russia has thousands of Nukes and it is Russian rockets that put many US satellites and supplies and
astronauts in space, or perhaps you don't realize that.
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No I don't because I'm smarter than you, comrade.


Proton-M in assembly building awaiting for rollout

As of May 2014, nine Proton-M launches have failed. Three of these failures were the results of problems with the Proton-M itself, five were caused by the Briz-M upper stage malfunctioning and leaving cargo in a useless orbit, and one was the result of a Blok DM-03 upper stage being incorrectly fuelled, leaving the Proton too heavy to achieve orbit.

In September 2007, a Proton-M/Briz-M rocket carrying Japan's JCSAT-11 communications satellite failed to achieve orbit, and fell in the Ulytau District of Kazakhstan. An investigation determined that first and second stages of the rocket had failed to separate, due to a damaged pyrotechnic cable.[7]

In July 2013, a Proton-M/DM-03 carrying three GLONASS satellites failed shortly after liftoff.[8] The booster began pitching left and right along the vertical axis within a few seconds of launch. Attempts by the onboard guidance computer to correct the flight trajectory failed and ended up putting it into an unrecoverable pitchover. The upper stages and payload were stripped off 24 seconds after launch due to the forces experienced followed by the first stage breaking apart and erupting in flames. Impact with the ground occurred 30 seconds after liftoff.

The preliminary report of the investigation indicated that three of the first stage angular velocity sensors, responsible for yaw control, were installed in an incorrect orientation. As the error affected the redundant sensors as well as the primary ones, the rocket was left with no yaw control, which resulted in the failure.[9] Telemetry data also indicated that a pad umbilical had detached prematurely, suggesting that the Proton may have launched several tenths of a second early, before the engines reached full thrust.

In May 2014, another Proton-M launch ended in failure, resulting in the loss of an Ekspress telecommunications satellite. Unlike the 2013 disaster, this occurred more than nine minutes into the flight when one of the third stage verniers shut off, causing loss of attitude control. An automatic shutdown and destruct command was issued and the remains of the upper stages and payload landed in northern China. An investigation committee concluded that the failure was most likely due to one of the turbopumps breaking off its mount , rupturing a propellant line and causing the vernier to lose thrust.

Although other Proton-M launches are recorded as failures, these failures have been caused by the upper stages used to allow the rocket to deliver payloads to higher orbits. On 5 December 2010, the upper stage and payloads failed to reach orbital velocity due to overloading of the upper stage with 1.5 tonnes of liquid oxygen, resulting in the loss of three GLONASS satellites it was carrying.[10]

Five launches have succumbed to problems with the Briz-M upper stage; Arabsat 4A in February 2006, AMC-14 in March 2008, Ekspress-AM4 in August 2011, Telkom 3 and Ekspress-MD2 in August 2012[11] and Yamal 402 in December 2012. All of the payloads were unusable except for Yamal 402, which was able to correct its orbit at the expense of several years' operational life, and AMC-14 which was sold to the US Government after SES determined that it couldn't complete its original mission.
Effect on government and industry

As a result of the July 2013 Proton M launch, a major reorganization of the Russian space industry was undertaken. The United Rocket and Space Corporation was formed as a joint-stock corporation by the government in August 2013 to consolidate the Russian space sector. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said "the failure-prone space sector is so troubled that it needs state supervision to overcome its problems."[12] Three days following the failure, the Russian government had announced that "extremely harsh measures" would be taken "and spell the end of the [Russian] space industry as we know it."[13]


Proton-M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russian rockets are garbage.
 
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DaveFagan said:
When a person is caught with their pants down, they always claim CT, Conspiracy Theory because they don't think they have to provide any real proof.
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No I call a website that only ****tards take seriously, you're not a ****tard are you? Anywho I provided the map for context; dear leader's fascist regime is far below the US regarding press freedom.

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I'll be sure to get my infor from Canada, Germany, Finland, Norway, Sweden and New Zealand for it to be good. Glad you updated me on that/
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You're sure you don't want to echo anymore talking points from the Kremlin's ministry of propaganda? Because a quick perusal of your posts shows that's all you ever do.
 
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face said:
No I don't because I'm smarter than you, comrade.


Proton-M in assembly building awaiting for rollout

As a result of the July 2013 Proton M launch, a major reorganization of the Russian space industry was undertaken. The United Rocket and Space Corporation was formed as a joint-stock corporation by the government in August 2013 to consolidate the Russian space sector. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said "the failure-prone space sector is so troubled that it needs state supervision to overcome its problems."[12] Three days following the failure, the Russian government had announced that "extremely harsh measures" would be taken "and spell the end of the [Russian] space industry as we know it."[13]


Proton-M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russian rockets are garbage.
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You're not smarter than your pet newt. Ask your newt about Russian Rocket engines.
Maybe they'll teach you more next year in third grade.

US Too Dependent on Russian Rocket Engines, Experts Tell Lawmakers
"Should the Russian government yank its supply of rocket engines for United States launches, critical national-security satellite missions could be delayed up to four years, experts told a joint Senate hearing Wednesday (July 16).
United Launch Alliance's (ULA) Atlas 5 rocket is the workhorse of heavy satellite launches in the United States, but the booster requires a Russian RD-180 engine to get off the ground.
Recent geopolitical disputes between Russia and the United States have thrown this arrangement, which has been in place for decades, into turmoil. In Twitter remarks in May, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin threatened to ban all sales of RD-180 engines to the United States intended for use in military launches."

U.S. military, national security agencies vexed by dependence on Russian rocket engines - The Washington Post
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American spy satellites and classified military spacecraft are routinely launched into orbit with help from Russian rocket engines developed in the Soviet era. That is no secret to anyone in the world of national security space launches.
The big question is whether this intimate technological relationship can continue given the political fallout from Russia’s actions in Ukraine. Already, a top Kremlin official has threatened to ban the export to the United States of powerful RD-180 engines unless Russia is guaranteed that they won’t be used by the U.S. military.
U.S. military officials and space-industry experts say it’s high time the United States had an industrial base that produced rocket engines that can do what the Russian engines do. Congress is in the process of authorizing money for such an effort. In theory, it’s a no-brainer: Why rely on Russians for such an integral ­element of the U.S. national security program?
But everything is highly inertial in the world of rocket science. The creation of powerful rocket engines in the United States could take several years at least. If the supply of Russian engines were cut off in the meantime, the U.S. launch program would face delays, with attendant costs to taxpayers of billions of dollars, according to a recent U.S. Air Force study"
 
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face said:
No I call a website that only ****tards take seriously, you're not a ****tard are you? Anywho I provided the map for context; dear leader's fascist regime is far below the US regarding press freedom.



You're sure you don't want to echo anymore talking points from the Kremlin's ministry of propaganda? Because a quick perusal of your posts shows that's all you ever do.
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You should be proud to know that the CIA generated Perception Management has been a complete success for you. You will always know about everything going on and never have to waste time thinking about things and arriving at answers/solutions using truth, logic, reason, common sense, books, or anything else for that matter. It's all being done for you and your talking points will be updated shortly. Enjoy your matrix.
 
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:roll:

Lol. Have you EVER penned a post without mentioning the CIA, banks, or corporations?
 
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Simpleχity;1064318631 said:
:roll:

Lol. Have you EVER penned a post without mentioning the CIA, banks, or corporations?
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They're heavy hitters in USFP, why shouldn't they be mentioned.
 
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Montecresto said:
They're heavy hitters in USFP, why shouldn't they be mentioned.
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Perhaps because they have nothing to do with the topic maybe ? :roll:
 
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