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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Infowars has a short clip from Ukraine, and a fast walking soldier in a Ukranian uniform speaks American English to the reporter, asking her to 'stay out of my face, please'. Probably just a Blackwater mercenary, but certainly an American carrying an AK.
    Infowars bwhahahaha thats says it all.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Your reference to an "independent Ukraine" is very accurate. Russia's goal is not the occupation of two rust belt provinces. Rather, Putin's goal is to turn Ukraine into a Russian protectorate.
    Or failing that keep the war going on ad infinitum, making sure never enough troops get introduced to be decisive. This avoids further sanctions against Russia but more importantly keeps Ukraine politically and militarily destabilised. Its incapable of moving any closer to joining any western institutions while that state of affairs continues. Obviously an all out invasion by Russia would have huge political and economic consequences for the fragile Russian economy so this current state of affairs represents for it the least worst option.

    Ukraine needs to fight in the Donbass, because of they dont, the same combination of "little green men", volunteers, mercenaries and vacationing Russian regulars is going to be in Kiev by late spring. The only way for Ukraine to stay independent is to fight in the Donbass now.
    That term 'vacationing Russian regulars' really is a classic !

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Or failing that keep the war going on ad infinitum, making sure never enough troops get introduced to be decisive. This avoids further sanctions against Russia but more importantly keeps Ukraine politically and militarily destabilised. Its incapable of moving any closer to joining any western institutions while that state of affairs continues. Obviously an all out invasion by Russia would have huge political and economic consequences for the fragile Russian economy so this current state of affairs represents for it the least worst option.



    That term 'vacationing Russian regulars' really is a classic !
    Is there a difference between "vacationing Russian regulars" and Blackwater mercenaries.
    90+% of Blackwater (z) business is contracted by the Pentagon.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Is there a difference between "vacationing Russian regulars" and Blackwater mercenaries.
    90+% of Blackwater (z) business is contracted by the Pentagon.
    When applied to the Donbass, yes. Any possible Blackwater contractors showed up with, well, only their knowledge. Meanwhile vacationing Russian regulars have shown up with tanks, air to air missiles, apcs, artillery, and an endless variety of rocket launchers.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    When applied to the Donbass, yes. Any possible Blackwater contractors showed up with, well, only their knowledge. Meanwhile vacationing Russian regulars have shown up with tanks, air to air missiles, apcs, artillery, and an endless variety of rocket launchers.
    Isn't it astonishing what these regulars can get in their suitcases whilst 'vacationing'. I bet that put them over the 20 Kilo limit at check in though !

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    When applied to the Donbass, yes. Any possible Blackwater contractors showed up with, well, only their knowledge. Meanwhile vacationing Russian regulars have shown up with tanks, air to air missiles, apcs, artillery, and an endless variety of rocket launchers.
    I'm sure any US mercs showing up are funded from the recent US Congress
    vote to supply lethal and non lethal military aid to Ukraine. Mercs would for
    sure fit into that category. Plausible deniability, don't ya' know?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'm sure any US mercs showing up are funded from the recent US Congress
    vote to supply lethal and non lethal military aid to Ukraine. Mercs would for
    sure fit into that category. Plausible deniability, don't ya' know?
    So far the only ones 'showing up' have been in some comically fake Russian propaganda videos made last March

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'm sure any US mercs showing up are funded from the recent US Congress
    vote to supply lethal and non lethal military aid to Ukraine. Mercs would for
    sure fit into that category. Plausible deniability, don't ya' know?
    If there are US supplied advisors in Ukraine, I doubt they would be US in origin. Rather, they probably would be Polish. Poles not only have the motivation, but they also have to a far larger degree, the language skills and cultural understandings make effective advisors to the Ukrainians. US commanders also gave Polish units high marks in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Polish government has denied that there are Poles fighting / advising in Ukraine either unofficially or officially. The rebels claim otherwise. One thing though, is that there have not been any fatalities returned to Poland. Unlike Russia, Poland has a fully free press and such burials would be alot harder to conceal.

    My guess is that western supplied contractors in Ukraine are few in number. Ukraine's biggest need is for advise in effective and decisive command and control, not advisors as ground fighters.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Of course there is ! So basically you are denying 58 million Ukrainians right to self determination then. How noble
    It is realistic, whether it is noble or not.

    No person is an island - LINK, and no Nation can act in direct hostility to its neighbors without expecting resistance or worse.

    If the USA was really trying to help out then we would be mediating between the Ukraine and Russia in a friendly way, but instead the hostile USA is trying to pull the Ukraine under our American control in hostility to its neighbor Russia.

    As such the USA is the unwelcome intruder who has no business in that area.

    If Russia came here and tried to get Mexico to cut ties with the USA and to become hostile to the USA then we would never accept that, and the same is true for Russia about the Ukraine.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    No person is an island - LINK, and no Nation can act in direct hostility to its neighbors without expecting resistance or worse.
    As per the UN charter and the Budapest memorandum signed by Russia in 1994 Ukraines right to self determination is not negotiable and Russia (not the US who was also a signatory) is in direct contravention of both. For the umpteenth time when did Ukraine attack Russia ? Defending ones territory from attack does not represent direct hostility against anyone but the attacker unless you also deny the Ukraine that fundamental right too.

    If the USA was really trying to help out then we would be mediating between the Ukraine and Russia in a friendly way, but instead the hostile USA is trying to pull the Ukraine under our American control in hostility to its neighbor Russia.
    For the umpteenth time. What if Ukraine wants to be part of Western institutions of its own free will.? Its getting tiresome repeating myself here
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