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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    The USA persuaded the Ukraine to act foolishly and then Russia responded accordingly.
    Why did Russia have to respond? Their territory wasn't effected by the overthrow of Putin's puppet.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Why did Russia have to respond? Their territory wasn't effected by the overthrow of Putin's puppet.
    I'd be interested to know what this alleged US 'persuasion' was that made the protesters face down Yanukovych's guns whilst unarmed.

    It must have been mightily compelling stuff !

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Why did Russia have to respond? Their territory wasn't effected by the overthrow of Putin's puppet.
    It really is not a secret that the USA was involved in the overthrow of the Ukraine President.

    See here (one of many sources) = Brokering power: US role in Ukraine coup hard to overlook ? RT News

    So after that it was a USA puppet who took over the Ukraine.

    And the Ukraine is the neighbor to Russia and among so many other reasons - the proximity alone is justifiable reason enough for Russia to have its own vested interest and to intervene accordingly.

    Russia did not have to respond - no - Russia responded because it was the right thing to do against the meddling warmonger nation of the USA in the Ukraine.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    It really is not a secret that the USA was involved in the overthrow of the Ukraine President.
    You do a very good job of keeping it then .

    Your (one of many sources) is a broken link to the largest Russian state propaganda site . RT ??

    The difference between real journalism and Russia Today » The Spectator

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...tins-tv-poison



    So after that it was a USA puppet who took over the Ukraine.
    What US puppet ? This guy was voted into office twice last year in OSCE monitored elections that had 60% voter turnout in the 91% of the country able to vote. Thats a greater figure than in the last US election

    And the Ukraine is the neighbor to Russia and among so many other reasons - the proximity alone is justifiable reason enough for Russia to have its own vested interest and to intervene accordingly.
    No it is not as per Russia's signature on the 1975 Helsinki treaty which just to refresh yor memory states

    According to Article I of the Helsinki Final Act which established the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in 1975, every country has the right "to belong or not to belong to international organizations, to be or not to be a party to bilateral or multilateral treaties including the right to be or not to be a party to treaties of alliance." All the OSCE member states, including Russia, have sworn to uphold those principles.

    In line with those principles, Ukraine has the right to choose for itself whether it joins any treaty of alliance, including NATO's founding treaty.

    Moreover, when Russia signed the Founding Act, it pledged to uphold "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security".

    Thus Ukraine has the right to choose its own alliances, and Russia has, by its own repeated agreement, no right to dictate that choice.

    Helsinki Final Act | OSCE

    You might want to check out the legality of Russia's action here too.

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/publicat.../uncharter.pdf

    Russia did not have to respond - no - Russia responded because it was the right thing to do against the meddling warmonger nation of the USA in the Ukraine.
    Please describe this warmongering to us ? The US has only 28,000 military personnel stationed in Europe where she once had 213,000 back in 1990. There have been large reductions all other EU NATO nations too. Russia has 850,000 under arms and increasing it is currently engaged in a war of conquest against its neighbour in breach of all treaties it has signed with her. She is also in breach of the UN charter the Helsinki Agreement and other international treaties which she is a signatory to .

    Who is the warmonger ?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    It really is not a secret that the USA was involved in the overthrow of the Ukraine President.
    According to your own "might is right" ideology, there is nothing wrong with this. Anyone can interfere anywhere without prohibition or consequence.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Your (one of many sources) is a broken link to the largest Russian state propaganda site . RT ??
    You attack the messenger while ignoring the message.

    And in this case the Russian News is the credible one.

    So here is another link with the same report = Washington Was Behind Ukraine Coup: Obama admits that US “Brokered a Deal” in Support of “Regime Change” | Global Research

    And as I said these are just 2 of many because President Obama made the statement on CNN’s Fareed Zakiria - unless you want to attack that messenger too as your way of avoiding the message and the reality - or shall we call that as a FACT.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    You attack the messenger while ignoring the message.
    No I highlighted the propaganda

    And in this case the Russian News is the credible one.
    I already linked for you earlier that it wasn't

    And (surprise surprise) just guess what source they quoted in its entirety for this article ? ......Sputnik news !!!

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamelder/...th#.mg77oxnw35

    Is selective misrepresentations of the West from Russian propaganda outlets and subjective opinion pieces really all you've got ?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No I highlighted the propaganda

    I already linked for you earlier that it wasn't

    And (surprise surprise) just guess what source they quoted in its entirety for this article ? ......Sputnik news !!!
    I say that you are just being cowardly by attacking the messengers while avoiding the message.

    It was said on CNN by the US President on February 1, 2015.

    See it here = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmUNCsT8TjU
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    I say that you are just being cowardly by attacking the messengers while avoiding the message.

    It was said on CNN by the US President on February 1, 2015.

    See it here = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmUNCsT8TjU
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    It was said on CNN by the US President on February 1, 2015.
    Certainly a deal was brokered. It was reported around the globe. The deal was between Yanukovych and the opposition leaders. Present also were representatives of Germany, France, Poland, and Russia.

    FEBRUARY 21, 2014


    Viktor Yanukovych signs agreement with Ukraine opposition. 21 February 2014

    "Yanukovych has agreed to an early presidential election as part of a deal to end the long-running crisis. He said he had also agreed to a national unity government, and to make constitutional changes reducing the power of the president. The compromise came after hours of talks with the opposition leaders.
    Breakthrough? Ukrainian President, Opposition Leaders Reach Deal

    Rather than honor the breakthrough deal he signed, Yanukovych abdicated and fled that very night.


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