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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    The USA does not participate in the Ukrainian peace talks - why? the actions speak louder then any words, as it is the USA who does not want the peace because we are the instigators of the hostilities.
    We illegally annexed Crimea and invaded Eastern Ukraine? I did not know that!
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Right now it seems that Russia is the one that has no interest in peace.
    If Russia had no interest in peace, if it wanted war, it would already have taken Ukraine, or at least invaded it as it did Hungary.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    We illegally annexed Crimea and invaded Eastern Ukraine? I did not know that!
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    Your geography is slightly confused--we invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq, not Crimea. We conduct drone strikes in numerous places around the globe. That is not seeking peace in any way at all, it is committing military aggression.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Right now it seems that Russia is the one that has no interest in peace.
    Except that Russia participated in the peace talks,

    and Russia made agreements to help bring peace to the area,

    while the USA refused to participate in any such talk of peace.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Except that Russia participated in the peace talks,

    and Russia made agreements to help bring peace to the area,

    while the USA refused to participate in any such talk of peace.
    Refused ?

    The US not being asked to mediate nor actually being invoved in the conflict in any way might have had more to do with it which explains why the likes of China and India weren't involved in them either. Russia's participation is predicated upon creating pauses in the conflict that will allow her to fully rearm her proxies for the next round of fighting

    Don't let the facts get in the way of another good old anti US rant though
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Refused ?

    The US not being asked to mediate nor actually being invoved in the conflict in any way might have had more to do with it which explains why the likes of China and India weren't involved in them either. Russia's participation is predicated upon creating pauses in the conflict that will allow her to fully rearm her proxies for the next round of fighting

    Don't let the facts get in the way of another good old anti US rant though
    You refer to your own rant as the facts, and it is not.

    If the USA is not involved in the Ukrainian conflict then I would like to see the USA pull out of it and shut their damned lies too, but no.

    One of many pieces of evidence is here at # 369 =

    Or see here = John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No problems with that but you have been talking as if Putin HAD the right to do what he did.
    No, I said I understood why.


    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Not really Scandinavia was never part of the Roman Empire and France/Spain/Great Britain weren't part of the Holy Roman Empire (totally different entity).
    Said Holy Roman Empire which is different then Roman Empire. Holy Roman Empire was born out of Treaty of Verdun in which separated Carolingian Empire into 3 parts.. but yes the Western Holy Empire also included large areas of this but.. what I am getting at is this.. Every damn country in the EU's former or active royal family all have lines that are pretty much one and it's based in the Holy Roman Empire structure. So for example..

    House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha: UK, Belgium, Bulgaria, and Portugal.
    House of Oldenburg: Norway, Sweden and Denmark. (Was last house of Russia).
    House of Orange-Nassau: Netherlands and former house of UK.
    House of Bourbon: France, Spain and a few other small areas.

    Then the big daddy of them all the Habsburg: Which had a ruler in every Duchy or Kingdom outside of Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Are you nuts?
    How would Ukraine have not honored it? Would they have stopped Russia militarily? Obviously that is out. Economically? Yeah they have the economic power to bring Russia down
    So you are now saying that since it is possibly one side may not honor its obligations decades into the future it is OK to invade and annex part of that country?
    Sorry your fist paragraph in this post was OK then you went into crazy land.
    So you are telling me.. Ukraine gets EU membership, NATO membership and you think they would have honored the deal? Once you get membership you are golden and can tell Russia to bugger off.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And Russia is on NATO's ..... unfortunately. Given whats happening in Ukraine you can understand now why many Eastern European states were so keen to join. A re emergent and vengeful Russia was what they feared and their fears were clearly warranted
    NATO CHOSE to expand to Russian border.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    NATO CHOSE to expand to Russian border.
    In actuality entrance into NATO is neither compulsory or easy unlike the Warsaw Muscovite Imperialism.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    You refer to your own rant as the facts, and it is not.

    If the USA is not involved in the Ukrainian conflict then I would like to see the USA pull out of it and shut their damned lies too, but no.

    One of many pieces of evidence is here at # 369 =

    Or see here = John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs

    Published by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

    After multiple rebuttals of this and your continued multiple repetitions thereafter this is clearly just trolling
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