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U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Simpleχity;1064265542 said:
Global Research is a known conspiracy website. Try again.

Try again what? :lol:

General Viktor Muzhenko is the Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces. He said the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army”.

Globalresearch simply transferred his direct speech. :clap:
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Yes it is as others have shown.

Nah maybe they will up to 99%
What a moronic question.
As long as the evil Putin armed thugs are in control no referendum will be fair or have any outcome other than what Putin decides.

There was a nice article in The Guardian.
British army creates team of Facebook warriors
The British army is creating a special force of Facebook warriors, skilled in psychological operations and use of social media to engage in unconventional warfare in the information age.
The 77th will include regulars and reservists and recruitment will begin in the spring. Soldiers with journalism skills and familiarity with social media are among those being sought.

The move is partly a result of experience in counter-insurgency operations in Afghanistan. It can also be seen as a response to events of the last year that include Russia’s actions in Ukraine, in particular Crimea, and Islamic State’s (Isis) takeover of large swaths of Syria and Iraq.

Nato has so far been unable to find a counter to what the US and UK claim is Russia creating unrest by sending in regular troops disguised as local militia, allowing president Vladimir Putin to deny responsibility.Isis has proved adept at exploiting social media to attract fighters from around the world.

British army creates team of Facebook warriors | UK news | The Guardian

It's nice because it clearly shows complete ignorance and arrogance of the west over Crimea, over Ukraine and Russia. These people cannot undestand the obvious fact - that Russia didn't need to conduct psychological operations, or propaganda actions to win the hearts and minds of Crimeans. Because Crimeans are normal Russian people and Crimea was always part of Russia that accidentally appeared abroad.

Russians love Russia simply because it's Russia, not because of Putin's propaganda. :)
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

If it was legal under Ukrainian law, yes.

If 99% of the people wanted in Kamchatka, or Siberia to leave Russia would you approve it? Would Putin allow it?
We all know the Putin's answer would be to kill, imprison and/or utterly destroy in any means he could think of anyone who tried to do so.
It however was not done legally or in free manner and was done with a loaded question under the threat of force.
Your point is moot and will forever remain so.

When Ukrainians left Soviet Union (that was another name of Russia, factually), nobody started to kill them.
 
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So instead of answering you reply with a pathetic joke. I will assume that you would never agree to any Russian territory leaving and are just hypocritical in your beliefs due to your support of an evil dictator.

Yes, yes, yes, we are poor and do not understand anything. Only one western world carries peace and democracy, and we are the evil Russian. Vodka, balalaika, bear...
 
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Simpleχity;1064265719 said:
There would have been no insurrection in Crimea without Russian intelligence and special-ops forces laying the groundwork prior to the overt military invasion.

The Truth? All would live happily ever after with Ukrainian Nazis? I must say the inhabitants of Crimea about it. And then they, too, would like to volunteer battalions with the Nazis bombed the Donbass, and their cunning lured Putin in Russia.

You lived in the Crimea, as you say. Do not really understand the sentiments of the local population?
 
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There was a nice article in The Guardian.


It's nice because it clearly shows complete ignorance and arrogance of the west over Crimea, over Ukraine and Russia. These people cannot undestand the obvious fact - that Russia didn't need to conduct psychological operations, or propaganda actions to win the hearts and minds of Crimeans. Because Crimeans are normal Russian people and Crimea was always part of Russia that accidentally appeared abroad.

Russians love Russia simply because it's Russia, not because of Putin's propaganda. :)

You are right they didn't need to use psychological operations they used military operations, much more direct and the effect is immediate.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

When Ukrainians left Soviet Union (that was another name of Russia, factually), nobody started to kill them.

????? has nothing to do with what I said.
However Putin's thugs ARE killing people in Ukraine.
 
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Yes, yes, yes, we are poor and do not understand anything. Only one western world carries peace and democracy, and we are the evil Russian. Vodka, balalaika, bear...

You asked a question I answered. I in turn asked you one and YOU replied with total BS.
Playing silly games will not change the fact that Russia invaded and annexed part of another country.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

The Truth? All would live happily ever after with Ukrainian Nazis? I must say the inhabitants of Crimea about it. And then they, too, would like to volunteer battalions with the Nazis bombed the Donbass, and their cunning lured Putin in Russia.
Dobroye utro! Lol. Pokhmelye?

You lived in the Crimea, as you say. Do not really understand the sentiments of the local population?
Don't blame others for a problem of your own making. You were the dumb-asses who who gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954.
 
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For obvious reasons, Russia wanted to hold Crimea. It wanted to keep NATO out of its soft underbelly. What's wrong with that?

Fine...let Russia have Crimea. I hope they choke on it.
But why did they need to start a ****storm in Eastern Ukraine?
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

However Putin's thugs ARE killing people in Ukraine.

Including the 300 people who were doing nothing but flying in a passenger plane.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Fine...let Russia have Crimea. I hope they choke on it.
But why did they need to start a ****storm in Eastern Ukraine?

Because their bellicose enemies are trying to move into Eastern Ukraine?
 
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Including the 300 people who were doing nothing but flying in a passenger plane.

If you're referring to MH17, you've been fooled, as intended. Putin and Russia and their Ukranian rebels did not shoot that plane down. Somebody else did, most likely the Kiev government.

That operation was what they call a False Flag operation.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Fine...let Russia have Crimea. I hope they choke on it.
But why did they need to start a ****storm in Eastern Ukraine?

Well aside from Putin's desire to claim as much territory as possible he wants a land bridge to Crimea.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

If 99% of the people wanted in Kamchatka, or Siberia to leave Russia would you approve it?

When Ukrainians left Soviet Union (that was another name of Russia, factually), nobody started to kill them.

????? has nothing to do with what I said.

You should have lessons of logic.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

You should have lessons of logic.

?????
posting non sequiturs are not logical
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Because their bellicose enemies are trying to move into Eastern Ukraine?

The only party trying to move into Eastern Ukraine is Russia.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

If you're referring to MH17, you've been fooled, as intended. Putin and Russia and their Ukranian rebels did not shoot that plane down. Somebody else did, most likely the Kiev government.

That operation was what they call a False Flag operation.

Putin is glad you believe that conspiracy theory.
 
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All those other sites are silenced from Putin and thus are biased.

These western ones are not because these are free.

Freedom of the press is an unknown thing in the Oligarchy that is Russia. They've never had it so they don't understand it. It makes dealing with the Putinistas much easier when you understand this.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Good thing more NATO troops will be stationed in Eastern Europe to take care of Putin's medieval ways of conquering foreign to Russia European territories.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Putin is glad you believe that conspiracy theory.

HD pretty much believe all conspiracy theories.
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Putin is glad you believe that conspiracy theory.

Gosh! Should I be afraid? :shock:
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Better get used to it. My bet is that Russia will not allow the west to set up camp in their back yard.

Nor should they. And who cares how Samantha Power's characterises Putin's response to US interference in Keiv the fall of 2013!!!!!
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

HD pretty much believe all conspiracy theories.

Your promoting your own conspiracy theory about Russian intentions!!!!
 
Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

Your promoting your own conspiracy theory about Russian intentions!!!!

Putin has made his intentions clear, there is no conspiracy about it.
 
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