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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How about a report from a Washington political insider, Sen. Ron Paul.
    Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
    "Commenting on events leading up to the coup in a column on his website on Sunday, Dr. Paul noted that the coup "was not only supported by US and EU governments much of it was actually planned by them." The former congressman added that while Ukraine was a deeply divided country prior to the coup, "it is clear that without foreign intervention Ukraine would not be in its current, seemingly hopeless situation." Paul lamented that the "interventionist project" on the part of political forces inside the US and the EU turned a very difficult situation into a disaster and "full-out civil war" for Ukraine."
    "Dr. Paul describes how, as the political and economic crisis in Ukraine advanced in 2013, "a steady stream of US and EU politicians were openly participating" in protests calling "for the overthrow of the Ukrainian government." He recalls the leaked phone conversation featuring Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland chatting with the US Ambassador to Ukraine about who would and would not enter the new Ukrainian government. Noting the hypocrisy and outright absurdity of it all, the former congressman asks his readers rhetorically to "imagine if a foreign leader like Putin or Assad came to Washington to encourage protesters to overthrow the Obama Administration!"

    Read more: Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International

    Read more: Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
    Aside from that coming from the king of tin foil hat crowd, how if this is even true does it justify Putin secretly invading and annexing part of the Ukraine?
    Oh thats right it doesnt, just another attempt to say see the USA is bad therefore Putin is justified in anything he does.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How about a report from a Washington political insider, Sen. Ron Paul.
    Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
    "Commenting on events leading up to the coup in a column on his website on Sunday, Dr. Paul noted that the coup "was not only supported by US and EU governments – much of it was actually planned by them." The former congressman added that while Ukraine was a deeply divided country prior to the coup, "it is clear that without foreign intervention Ukraine would not be in its current, seemingly hopeless situation." Paul lamented that the "interventionist project" on the part of political forces inside the US and the EU turned a very difficult situation into a disaster and "full-out civil war" for Ukraine."
    "Dr. Paul describes how, as the political and economic crisis in Ukraine advanced in 2013, "a steady stream of US and EU politicians were openly participating" in protests calling "for the overthrow of the Ukrainian government." He recalls the leaked phone conversation featuring Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland chatting with the US Ambassador to Ukraine about who would and would not enter the new Ukrainian government. Noting the hypocrisy and outright absurdity of it all, the former congressman asks his readers rhetorically to "imagine if a foreign leader like Putin or Assad came to Washington to encourage protesters to overthrow the Obama Administration!"

    Read more: Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International

    Read more: Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
    Uh huh . Sputnik international said so, so it must be true right ?

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    Please provide evidence of any material assistence whatsoever that either the US or EU governments provided that assisted the Maidan protesters in facing down Yanukovyches guns

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How about a report from a Washington political insider, Sen. Ron Paul.
    Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
    "Commenting on events leading up to the coup in a column on his website on Sunday, Dr. Paul noted that the coup "was not only supported by US and EU governments – much of it was actually planned by them." The former congressman added that while Ukraine was a deeply divided country prior to the coup, "it is clear that without foreign intervention Ukraine would not be in its current, seemingly hopeless situation." Paul lamented that the "interventionist project" on the part of political forces inside the US and the EU turned a very difficult situation into a disaster and "full-out civil war" for Ukraine."
    "Dr. Paul describes how, as the political and economic crisis in Ukraine advanced in 2013, "a steady stream of US and EU politicians were openly participating" in protests calling "for the overthrow of the Ukrainian government." He recalls the leaked phone conversation featuring Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland chatting with the US Ambassador to Ukraine about who would and would not enter the new Ukrainian government. Noting the hypocrisy and outright absurdity of it all, the former congressman asks his readers rhetorically to "imagine if a foreign leader like Putin or Assad came to Washington to encourage protesters to overthrow the Obama Administration!"

    Read more: Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International

    Read more: Ron Paul: US, EU Behind Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
    Uh huh . Sputnik international said so, so it must be true right ?

    Kremlin Gets a New Media Mouthpiece

    Please provide evidence of any material assistence whatsoever that either the US or EU governments provided that assisted the Maidan protesters in facing down Yanukovyches guns ?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Aside from that coming from the king of tin foil hat crowd, how if this is even true does it justify Putin secretly invading and annexing part of the Ukraine?
    Oh thats right it doesnt, just another attempt to say see the USA is bad therefore Putin is justified in anything he does.
    No, it is information from a Washington insider. Adjust your hat, the tin foil has corroded and your reception doesn't seem to be working.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Uh huh . Sputnik international said so, so it must be true right ?

    Kremlin Gets a New Media Mouthpiece

    Please provide evidence of any material assistence whatsoever that either the US or EU governments provided that assisted the Maidan protesters in facing down Yanukovyches guns
    I gotcha'. If I dumped a gallon of crap on your head, you would say, "I don't see any crap."

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No, it is information from a Washington insider. Adjust your hat, the tin foil has corroded and your reception doesn't seem to be working.
    Ron Paul is a tinfoil hat wearign nutjob the fact that he is in washingotn doesnt change anything.
    You missed the main point however
    Hw if this is even true does it justify Putin secretly invading and annexing part of the Ukraine?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No, it is information from a Washington insider. Adjust your hat, the tin foil has corroded and your reception doesn't seem to be working.
    Insider to what exactly ? Ron Paul has never met any of the protagonists he talks about so his is just another opinion at odds with reality and devoid of evidence

    I notice you didn't answer my question ?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Ron Paul is a tinfoil hat wearign nutjob the fact that he is in washingotn doesnt change anything.
    You missed the main point however
    Hw if this is even true does it justify Putin secretly invading and annexing part of the Ukraine?
    I want to see photographic evidence of this invasion that you talk about. Remember that Russia had an agreement with Ukraine that allowed 25,000 + troops to be stationed in Crimea. If these are the troops that you are referring to, it does not constitute an invasion. Also, the Crimea voted to approve annexation with an 80% voter participation rate. Poroshenko and our toadies are in charge in Kiev with an 18% of eligible voters approval. Kiev has increased energy prices, lowered pensions, cut employment, started a war causing the deaths of thousands, compromised the patrimony of the people of Ukraine, has not investigated the Kiev sniper deaths, the Hyrvnia has lost most of its' value, and much of the leadership depends on Nazi groups for muscle.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Insider to what exactly ? Ron Paul has never met any of the protagonists he talks about so his is just another opinion at odds with reality and devoid of evidence

    I notice you didn't answer my question ?
    ex-Senator Ron Paul. Inside the US gov't at the highest levels. Congressional insider. That is reality.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    ex-Senator Ron Paul. Inside the US gov't at the highest levels. Congressional insider. That is reality.
    When has he ever been involved with US foreign policy regarding Russia or Ukraine then ? What committees has he chaired given he retired two years ago ?

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