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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    By that twisted logic the USA has every right to invade and annex Cuba because of Guantanamo.
    Seriously what right does Putin have to invade and annex part of another country and stop trying to pretend he didn't do that because even he admits he did.
    Only because your lack knowledge when it comes to US/Cuba relations. US seized Guantanamo during the Spanish-American War and only agreed to leave the rest of Cuba if The Platt Amendment was agreed too. The agreement gave the US the right to invoke the right to invade if there is any social uprest. A few years later (1906) when the threat of the loss of Guantanamo became a possibility after the pro-American President Tomás Estrada Palma regime fell, US invaded Cuba for a second time and occupied Cuba for 3 years. During that period Sec of War William H. Taft was named Provisional Governor of Cuba per Platt Amendment. US occupied Cuba several times from 1902-1922. Then in 1933 US supported the overthrow of Gerardo Machado and ended up with Ramon Grau who told the US to bugger off and tore up the Platt Amendment. US then backed Fulgencio Batista who became a dictator and pissed off enough people that lead to the rise of the Castros.

    Guantanamo today is part of a lease. US pays Cuba money for the land and usage for the base ever year. Cuba doesn't accept payments so it sits in a bank account at treasury. Cuba also has guarantee from the US that US will not invade Cuba if the lease is not extended in the future (agreement during Cuba Missile Crisis). At some point Guantanamo will be back in Cuban hands as the US is actually using Gitmo in violation of agreed terms.

    US itself couldn't legally annex Cuba in 1902 because US Congress said no. Russia on the other hand doesn't mind annexing what was once Russian land. I am not saying Russia didn't "invade" or annexed Crimea, I am just telling you this is NO different then what the US has done several times.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So if the US does something wrong then its OK for Putin to do so?
    Absolutely. The hypocrisy of the west here is quiet large. Will the US give Gitmo back? Of course not because the US still sees it as vital to National interests.. Russia was pro active in protecting it's rights in the Black Sea because Russia sees Crimea as vital to their national interests. Can't be any clear then that. You can't expect anybody to just write off their national interest without a fight.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Do you have any evidence whatsoever that NATO had plans to move on Sevastopol ?

    Yes, US has put plans together for it. US Government also offered contracts on FedBizOpps.gov that were butter up contracts to the local populace. That's the first step in any building of a new bases overseas.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Like I said.. Interpol is political so take it with a grain of salt. Evidence points not to SBU doing the shooting but others.
    Thats your opinion. His corruption led to his overthrow hence his subsequent wanted status

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, US has put plans together for it. US Government also offered contracts on FedBizOpps.gov that were butter up contracts to the local populace. That's the first step in any building of a new bases overseas.
    Your linked evidence will be dismissed by the Scott who thinks he has a superior opinion. Btw. Putin doesn't need validation for responding to Western intrigue.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, US has put plans together for it. US Government also offered contracts on FedBizOpps.gov that were butter up contracts to the local populace. That's the first step in any building of a new bases overseas.
    Desperate BS . Did you even read this ? This is a contract to renovate and repair a Sevastopol school roof ! This is your definitive evidence !

    Here is what really counts

    On 21 April 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych signed an agreement in which Russia agreed to a 30% drop in the price of natural gas sold to Ukraine. Russia agreed to this in exchange for permission to extend Russia's lease of a major naval base in the Ukrainian Black Sea port of Sevastopol for an additional 25 years (to 2042) with an additional 5 year renewal option (to 2047).


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your linked evidence will be dismissed by the Scott who thinks he has a superior opinion. Btw. Putin doesn't need validation for responding to Western intrigue.
    Well if you think of a school renovation contract is smoking gun evidence of a NATO move to take Sevastopol you are even further gone than I thought !
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Well if you think of a school renovation contract is smoking gun evidence of a NATO move to take Sevastopol you are even further gone than I thought !
    Say, what's your angel in all this, hmm. Some how, Putin is up your ass personally. See a doctor dude. Do something. Putin isn't going away, and I'm enjoying watching you and your buddy's twitch.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Absolutely. The hypocrisy of the west here is quiet large. Will the US give Gitmo back? Of course not because the US still sees it as vital to National interests.. Russia was pro active in protecting it's rights in the Black Sea because Russia sees Crimea as vital to their national interests. Can't be any clear then that. You can't expect anybody to just write off their national interest without a fight.
    Except for the fact that this was not just about to happen you might have had a point

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Say, what's your angel in all this, hmm. Some how, Putin is up your ass personally. See a doctor dude. Do something. Putin isn't going away, and I'm enjoying watching you and your buddy's twitch.
    Thanks for the trolling admission but it really wasn't necessary. My angel ? I'm not religious

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