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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, and one more thing, they deny that it even was an attempt at NATO expansion.
    Of course its denied. For the umpteenth time please post your evidence that either the US or indeed any other combination of NATO member countries has ever suggested Ukraine membership ?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Of course its denied. For the umpteenth time please post your evidence that either the US or indeed any other NATO member country has ever offered Ukraine membership ?
    Aside from that being just pure tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense.
    How does a hypothetical entering of Ukraine into NATO give Putin the right to invade and annex par tof Ukraine?
    Just mind boglling the contortions they go through to try and pretend that a meglomaniac dictator like Putin is really just a good guy who is only invading and annexing his neighbors for the peace and security of everyone.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Aside from that being just pure tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense.
    I'm starting to suspect its just deliberate flaming and trolling now frankly

    How does a hypothetical entering of Ukraine into NATO give Putin the right to invade and annex par tof Ukraine?
    It doesn't

    Just mind boglling the contortions they go through to try and pretend that a meglomaniac dictator like Putin is really just a good guy who is only invading and annexing his neighbors for the peace and security of everyone.
    Yup. This is getting deep into 9/11 truther levels of lunacy now. If you can justify what Putin is up to on the international stage you can justify anything !

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    These arm chair politicians have a better understanding then the senior fellow at the CFR. They're not going to have it. They are however going to continue to spit and sputter over Putin's response to the West in Ukraine, because, it's obvious, this should have been anticipated, and the WH failed to properly read the Russian mood on NATO expansion. Oh, and one more thing, they deny that it even was an attempt at NATO expansion.
    Yes because only mentally challenged Russian trolls don't know the difference between NATO membership and an EU association agreement, this entire scenario started because of imperialistic Russian aggression and maintaining their regional economic hegemony, for the fascist Putin economic self determination for the Ukraine was unacceptable which is why he started all of this by first waging economic war and then illegally invading and annexing Ukrainian territory.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Of course its denied. For the umpteenth time please post your evidence that either the US or indeed any other combination of NATO member countries has ever suggested Ukraine membership ?
    And for the equal number of times,

    Then NATO began looking further east. At its April 2008 summit in Bucharest, the alliance considered admitting Georgia and Ukraine. The George W. Bush administration supported doing so, but France and Germany opposed the move for fear that it would unduly antagonize Russia. In the end, NATO’s members reached a compromise: the alliance did not begin the formal process leading to membership, but it issued a statement endorsing the aspirations of Georgia and Ukraine and boldly declaring, “These countries will become members of NATO.”

    Here's what's truly perplexing; there's plenty of us that see right thru the fog of NATO expansion, but most important, is that so has Russia this entire time. What flog thinks doesn't mean ****. Russia has drawn its non symbolic red line, and the West will not be stepping any further east. Only Angela seems to recognize this.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Yes because only mentally challenged Russian trolls don't know the difference between NATO membership and an EU association agreement, this entire scenario started because of imperialistic Russian aggression and maintaining their regional economic hegemony, for the fascist Putin economic self determination for the Ukraine was unacceptable which is why he started all of this by first waging economic war and then illegally invading and annexing Ukrainian territory.
    Lol. Your a waste of my time. And but a pimple on Mearsheimer's ass.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Yes because only mentally challenged Russian trolls don't know the difference between NATO membership and an EU association agreement, this entire scenario started because of imperialistic Russian aggression and maintaining their regional economic hegemony, for the fascist Putin economic self determination for the Ukraine was unacceptable which is why he started all of this by first waging economic war and then illegally invading and annexing Ukrainian territory.
    Try as I might I cannot get a coherent explanation of why Ukraines economic union with the EU would have anything to do with the US or NATO yet they are getting all the blame nonetheless ? Its like talking to a brick wall of myopic and impenetrable bigotry

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Try as I might I cannot get a coherent explanation of why Ukraines economic union with the EU would have anything to do with the US or NATO yet they are getting all the blame nonetheless ? Its like talking to a brick wall of myopic and impenetrable bigotry
    Then stop wasting time. Go have a fish and chips and wash it down with ginger beer.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Try as I might I cannot get a coherent explanation of why Ukraines economic union with the EU would have anything to do with the US or NATO yet they are getting all the blame nonetheless ? Its like talking to a brick wall of myopic and impenetrable bigotry
    We're pretty sure it's all an act. Nobody could be that dumb. Maybe it's a good payday to pretend to ignorance at this late date. You're just here trolling and we know that, but not to worry, you've never stated anything worth quoting.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And for the equal number of times,
    Then NATO began looking further east. At its April 2008 summit in Bucharest, the alliance considered admitting Georgia and Ukraine. The George W. Bush administration supported doing so, but France and Germany opposed the move for fear that it would unduly antagonize Russia. In the end, NATO’s members reached a compromise: the alliance did not begin the formal process leading to membership, but it issued a statement endorsing the aspirations of Georgia and Ukraine and boldly declaring, “These countries will become members of NATO.”
    I didn't ask you for Meirsheimers oft rebutted opinion piece to be repeated again I asked you for evidence

    Is it true that the West has been determined to incorporate Ukraine into NATO? Has Ukraine wanted to join the alliance? The answer to both questions, as Ukraine experts know, is a resounding no. Neither NATO nor any major NATO country has ever stated that Ukraine should be incorporated immediately into the alliance. And for good reason: they understood that no NATO member state would invoke Article 5 and rush to Ukraine’s assistance in case of an attack by Russia. True, the North Atlantic Council stated the following at its Bucharest summit of April 3, 2008: “NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO […] We will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both at a high political level to address the questions still outstanding pertaining to their Membership Action Plan applications”. The first line is about as squishy an endorsement of Ukrainian membership as one can imagine. But the second—“We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO”—is profoundly non-committal, employing the future tense (“will become”) without any specificity whatsoever. I submit that no rational leader, or analyst, could possibly interpret these words as a ringing endorsement of Ukraine’s immediate membership in NATO.


    http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork...acts_2079.html


    Here's what's truly perplexing; there's plenty of us that see right thru the fog of NATO expansion, but most important, is that so has Russia this entire time. What flog thinks doesn't mean ****. Russia has drawn its non symbolic red line, and the West will not be stepping any further east. Only Angela seems to recognize this
    Well if this appeasement continues there will be war. It seems to be something you are hoping for
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