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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    If hypothetically the US had done the same thing to Canada as Russia is doing to Ukraine I'd have been just as scathing in my condemnation of it. I'm not a xenpohobic bigot and just call a spade a spade.
    Again you are deflecting the question away from the reality.

    As in if Russia was trying to put a puppet government into Canada or Mexico then the USA would become more like Russia in the Ukraine.

    The USA wanted to put its own puppet control over the Ukraine and Russia rightfully interfered in that.

    And the USA has a long standing declaration called the Monroe Doctrine which gives a justification to Russia defending its own border Country from the USA intrusion.

    We the USA claim our own oversight of all our western hemisphere Countries and yet pretend that Russia has no oversight of its next-door neighbor the Ukraine.

    As such our side is wrong.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    That is simple obvious reality.

    That the USA was intent on the opposite is another simple obvious reality
    The US has had nothing whatsoever to do with any of what has happened and thats the only 'simple obvious reality' to cannot accept
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Again you are deflecting the question away from the reality.
    I do at least address reality rather than fantasy

    As in if Russia was trying to put a puppet government into Canada or Mexico then the USA would become more like Russia in the Ukraine.The USA wanted to put its own puppet control over the Ukraine and Russia rightfully interfered in that.
    Please show evidence that the US has tried to do this or influenced in any way the results of both elections in Ukraine last year or provoked or assisted in any way the Maidan protests that overthrew Yanukovych ? No more opinions just facts please ?

    And the USA has a long standing declaration called the Monroe Doctrine which gives a justification to Russia defending its own border Country from the USA intrusion.
    Please show any evidence of this US intrusion in Ukraine

    We the USA claim our own oversight of all our western hemisphere Countries and yet pretend that Russia has no oversight of its next-door neighbor the Ukraine.
    Russia has no right to do anything of the sort as per the UN charter to which she is a signatory
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    This is really a smart intelligent summary, so why would not the Europeans embrace Russia as their friend and ally as Russia has always been?
    What alternate universe do you inhabit where anyone could seriously believe that I wonder

    Instead Europe is aligning with the belligerent warmonger USA in direct opposition to the smart intelligent words quoted above.
    No she is belatedly reacting to a belligerent warmonger fighting an illegitimate war of conquest in the East. You really are a US bashing one trick pony here

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    This is really a smart intelligent summary, so why would not the Europeans embrace Russia as their friend and ally as Russia has always been?

    Instead Europe is aligning with the belligerent warmonger USA in direct opposition to the smart intelligent words quoted above.
    For one thing, the US isn't threatening to take their territory.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    How do you know the act of terrorism in Kharkov is "Putins plan"?
    Are you kidding me ? This is the prelude to sending the thugs in to 'restore order'

    The population of Kharkov is 1.4 million people. As everybody can see the whole bunch of people attended the "pro-Ukrainian" rally. Maybe several hundreds. Most of them in military uniform.
    Plenty more aren't in uniform looking at the baby carraiges and women running from the scene.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, I'll be here defending Putin, IN THIS CASE, mind you.
    Despite the fact that his actions are indefensible
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Despite the fact that his actions are indefensible
    Remember, that's your opinion, but it's not the only opinion.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Despite the fact that his actions are indefensible
    Don't burden him with trivial technicalities like that

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