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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It really wasn't any tactic, it was indeed an assumption. If you didn't support Americas pre-emptive war in Iraq, and you don't support any Israeli pre-emptive attacks on Iran, then you have a consistency there that you get credit for.
    If hypothetically the US had done the same thing to Canada as Russia is doing to Ukraine I'd have been just as scathing in my condemnation of it. I'm not a xenpohobic bigot and just call a spade a spade.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, I'm not really sure what that means because I'm pretty sure neither of us want to see another arms race with Russia. Although, I'm not willing to dismiss the notion that there would be people that would benefit from it. Nor that such people are amongst those with the power to either prevent it or pursue it.
    I think you would find 'such people' very hard to find over here.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded, no point in going beyond that on the basis that we disagree on that.
    Yes there is because even if true (which it isn't) it does not give Putin the right to invade and annex part of another country
    However I agree it is rather pointless as you have shown you will defend Putin's actions with whatever no matter how illogical your case may be.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    If hypothetically the US had done the same thing to Canada as Russia is doing to Ukraine I'd have been just as scathing in my condemnation of it. I'm not a xenpohobic bigot and just call a spade a spade.
    Or, you looked at a heart, and called it a spade.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Yes there is because even if true (which it isn't) it does not give Putin the right to invade and annex part of another country
    However I agree it is rather pointless as you have shown you will defend Putin's actions with whatever no matter how illogical your case may be.
    Yes, I'll be here defending Putin, IN THIS CASE, mind you.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Or, you looked at a heart, and called it a spade.
    There is certainly no 'heart' to be found in any of this. Putins plan is continuing with his latest terror attacks at a peace rally in Kharkiv (just like I had predicted would happen months ago). So its Kharkiv's turn next an Oblast with just 25% ethnic Russians and one of the most populous in Ukraine. I wouldn't want to be one of the 75% majority waiting for the shelling to start

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    How do you know the act of terrorism in Kharkov is "Putins plan"? SBU told you? One year has passed, they still can't find the ones who shot 100 people in Maidan. But in Kharkov the new who blew up the "pro-Ukrainian" rally in just one hour. Miracle, pure miracle.

    The video of the moment of explosion.



    The population of Kharkov is 1.4 million people. As everybody can see the whole bunch of people attended the "pro-Ukrainian" rally. Maybe several hundreds. Most of them in military uniform.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The point being, Putin's concern was reasonable. To wait for any execution would then mean certain military confrontation. His move avoided that altogether. You need to understand something. Russia is not going to loose their warm water port, and they're not going to allow Ukraine to go NATO.
    I'm still waiting for your evidence ?
    That is simple obvious reality.

    That the USA was intent on the opposite is another simple obvious reality.


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    Yet you still refuse to recognize Russian illegality and adventurism in Crimea/Ukraine. Without a quid-pro-quo that applies equally ... the international system for avoiding conflict is unworkable.
    There is no such thing as any "quid-pro-quo that applies equally".

    The world is not a fair or equal place, and never has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Russia is clearly the biggest threat we Europeans now face. Our collective defence budgets are now about one third of what they were 25 years ago so we will need to re arm pretty dramatically in the face of this. This is no 'percieved' threat either but an actual one based on current events

    An arms race with Russia is the very last thing our governments economies and people want, but whatever twisted logic makes you happy
    This is really a smart intelligent summary, so why would not the Europeans embrace Russia as their friend and ally as Russia has always been?

    Instead Europe is aligning with the belligerent warmonger USA in direct opposition to the smart intelligent words quoted above.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    How do you know the act of terrorism in Kharkov is "Putins plan"? SBU told you? One year has passed, they still can't find the ones who shot 100 people in Maidan. But in Kharkov the new who blew up the "pro-Ukrainian" rally in just one hour. Miracle, pure miracle.

    The video of the moment of explosion.



    The population of Kharkov is 1.4 million people. As everybody can see the whole bunch of people attended the "pro-Ukrainian" rally. Maybe several hundreds. Most of them in military uniform.
    Yep, and there's probably going to be many more "miracles" in Ukraine.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

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