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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    The interference by the USA has been over-ruled by Russia, and rightly so.

    As if anyone can not figure that out!!!!
    You're verging on 9/11 'truther' levels of anti US paranoia frankly given what is actually happening and who is actually doing the killing

    Again Irrespective of the US or Russia. What if Ukrainians actively want to be part of Western institutions of their own free will which they surely will now in the wake of Russias aggression ?

    What then ?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
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    i.e. look at your own media before you start laughing at others propaganda ...
    Russia has a state controlled media and we don't so I'm quite comfortable with my observations

    With Last Media Critics Blocked, Putin Silences the Russia Press - The Daily Beast

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    It really is absurd to me that Americans would laugh or even dismiss the Russian President who happens to be one of the most powerful positions on the planet earth, and I do not see Russia or the Russian President as secondary or inferior to the USA because reality declares otherwise.
    So powerful that the ruble is virtually a worthless currency beyond the Russian borders...

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) situation report of the rocket attack on Mariupol by the Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe (OSCE) of which the Russian Federation is a member. The OSCE has monitors throughout eastern Ukraine including the Ukrainian coastal city of Mariupol (500,000).

    MARIUPOL 24 January 2015

    At approximately 09:15hrs on 24 January, the SMM in government-controlled Mariupol heard at its location incoming massed Multi-Launch Rocket System (MLRS) attacks from a north-east direction, consisting of an extremely heavy barrage lasting 35 seconds. Twenty minutes later the SMM received information from the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC) in Mariupol and other sources, that shelling had occurred in the area of Olimpiiska Street, in Ordzhonikidzevskyi district, 8.5 km north-east of Mariupol city centre, approximately 400 metres from a Ukrainian Armed Forces checkpoint.

    At 10:20hrs the SMM went to Olimpiiska Street and saw seven adult civilians dead. The SMM observed in an area of 1.6 km by 1.1 km, including an open market, multiple impacts on buildings, retail shops, homes and a school. The SMM observed cars on fire and windows facing the north-eastern side of a nine-storey building shattered. The SMM was able to count 19 rocket strikes and is certain there are more. Four hospitals and the emergency service in the city informed the SMM that at least 20 people died and 75 people were injured and hospitalized. Ten of the wounded were in a critical condition, according to a hospital representative.

    The SMM conducted a crater analysis and its initial assessment showed that the impacts were caused by Grad and Uragan rockets. According to the impact analysis, the Grad rockets originated from a north-easterly direction, in the area of Oktyabr (19 km north-east of Olimpiiska Street), and the Uragan rockets from an easterly direction, in the area of Zaichenko (15 km east of Olimpiiska Street), both controlled by the “Donetsk People’s Republic” (“DPR”).



    Burial of Oleksander Demchenko, killed by a rebel rocket attack on the city of Mariupol

    Attacks on civilians in Mariupol, Ukraine were war crime: U.N.

    Mon Jan 26, 2015

    The deadly rocket attacks on the government-held port city of Mariupol in eastern Ukraine last weekend were a war crime because they intentionally targeted civilians, a senior U.N. official said on Monday. U.N. political affairs chief Jeffrey Feltman told an emergency meeting of the 15-nation Security Council on Ukraine that crater analysis by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe indicated the shelling came from rebel-controlled territory. "The entity which fired these rockets knowingly targeted a civilian population," he said. "This would constitute a violation of international humanitarian law."

    Over the weekend Russia blocked a proposed council statement that would have condemned the Mariupol attack as well as statements by a separatist leader who announced the offensive against Mariupol and repudiated the Minsk peace agreement from September.
    Russia supplies the weapons and munitions which kill and maim Ukrainian civilians, then vetoes any UN condemnation of these despicable acts despite the fact that an international organization of which Russia itself is a member (OSCE) has determined that the deadly Mariupol rocket barrages originated in rebel-held territory.

    The utmost in hypocrisy and party to a war crime.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Russia has a state controlled media and we don't so I'm quite comfortable with my observations

    With Last Media Critics Blocked, Putin Silences the Russia Press - The Daily Beast
    Too bad, as your "non state controlled media" on a regular basis produces propaganda and shines with examples of poor journalism on the levels of Russia 24 and Ukrainian TSN.

    Regarding your article about Russia you really should Google up some things before you start reposting bs from Navalny's fanboys:
    Slon.ru
    tvrain.ru (still exists and you should probably learn some stuff about who supported it in the past)
    echo.msk.ru
    novayagazeta.ru
    I'm not even talking about the numerous and various blogs/livejournal pages.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Too bad, as your "non state controlled media" on a regular basis produces propaganda and shines with examples of poor journalism on the levels of Russia 24 and Ukrainian TSN.

    Regarding your article about Russia you really should Google up some things before you start reposting bs from Navalny's fanboys:
    Slon.ru
    tvrain.ru (still exists and you should probably learn some stuff about who supported it in the past)
    echo.msk.ru
    novayagazeta.ru
    I'm not even talking about the numerous and various blogs/livejournal pages.

    Fallen.
    All those other sites are silenced from Putin and thus are biased.

    These western ones are not because these are free.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) situation report of the rocket attack on Mariupol by the Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe (OSCE) of which the Russian Federation is a member. The OSCE has monitors throughout eastern Ukraine including the Ukrainian coastal city of Mariupol (500,000).





    Burial of Oleksander Demchenko, killed by a rebel rocket attack on the city of Mariupol

    Attacks on civilians in Mariupol, Ukraine were war crime: U.N.



    Russia supplies the weapons and munitions which kill and maim Ukrainian civilians, then vetoes any UN condemnation of these despicable acts despite the fact that an international organization of which Russia itself is a member (OSCE) has determined that the deadly Mariupol rocket barrages originated in rebel-held territory.

    The utmost in hypocrisy and party to a war crime.
    Talking about hypocrisy - where are your lengthy posts about Donetsk, Gorlovka, Debaltzevo, Stahanov etc..?
    And before you even think of responding Google up the towns and the forces that control each.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    All those other sites are silenced from Putin and thus are biased.

    These western ones are not because these are free.
    Sigh.

    The sites I listed are active, very liberal and critic Putin on a daily if not hourly basis.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    All those other sites are silenced from Putin and thus are biased.

    These western ones are not because these are free.
    Indeed .

    "In 2011, three journalists dead (including newspaper editor Khadzhimurad Kamalov, shot 14 times as he left his office).

    In 2010, two killed; in 2009, five more (including a young reporter from Novaya Gazeta, caught in a hail of bullets). Add four for 2008, one in 2007 and then 2006 as Anna Politkovskaya, the most famous victim of them all, is murdered.

    But she wouldn't forget Yevgeny Gerasimenko – found in his Saratov flat with a plastic bag pulled over his head and computer missing – and nor should we.

    Two Russian journalists died in 2005, and three in both 2004 and 2003; but 2002 was a wicked year, with eight lost (including Valery Ivanov, battling editor, shot in the head) and 2001 added another victim.

    Putin's reign of power in 2000 began with six dead reporters and editors: a grim portent, looking back, of bad things to come."


    We dont have our journalists and political opponents 'disappeared' simply because they displeasure us and Putins list is long . What else should be expected of an ex KGB mafiosi I suppose

    https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/gre...vladimir-putin
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    So, what's your point?

    Fallen gave you links, if you know Russian as you said, you can read it. What's your opinion? Are they state propaganda?

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