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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What EU/US involvement in Kiev ? I'm still waiting for your evidence ?



    If every nation in the world were to respond with armed force to something its neighbours might do the globe would be a smoking cinder. How can you possibly justify Russias actions in such terms ?



    Pure fantasy as usual

    In 2010 Ukraine and Russia had signed the Kharkiv pact guaranteeing Russia's Black Sea Fleet base until 2042 and beyond so there never was any threat to its status

    Kharkiv Pact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Lol!!!!! What a freaking hypocrite. While you supported US pre-emptive war in Iraq, and support Israeli pre-emptive war in Iran, both based upon accusations of what somebody "might" do.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    If that is truly so then I shudder to think what response you would ever deem unreasonable.

    You are basically giving carte blanche to every tinpot dictator on earth to do likewise.
    I have no such authority. Nor have you any to prevent Russia from protecting themselves from their perceived threats.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol!!!!! What a freaking hypocrite. While you supported US pre-emptive war in Iraq, and support Israeli pre-emptive war in Iran, both based upon accusations of what somebody "might" do.
    Another flamebait dodge

    By all means please quote me where I have ever done so ?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Another flamebait dodge

    By all means please quote me where I have ever done so ?
    Are you stating for the record that you are not and were not a supporter of the Iraq war, and that you do not support an Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear program?
    Last edited by Montecresto; 02-23-15 at 11:50 AM.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I have no such authority. Nor have you any to prevent Russia from protecting themselves from their perceived threats.
    Russia is clearly the biggest threat we Europeans now face. Our collective defence budgets are now about one third of what they were 25 years ago so we will need to re arm pretty dramatically in the face of this. This is no 'percieved' threat either but an actual one based on current events

    An arms race with Russia is the very last thing our governments economies and people want, but whatever twisted logic makes you happy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you stating for the record that you are not and wore not a supporter of the Iraq war, and that you do not support an Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear program?
    Correct. So you will have to find a different smear tactic to flame with next time
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Correct. So you will have to find a different smear tactic to flame with next time
    It really wasn't any tactic, it was indeed an assumption. If you didn't support Americas pre-emptive war in Iraq, and you don't support any Israeli pre-emptive attacks on Iran, then you have a consistency there that you get credit for.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The point being, Putin's concern was reasonable.
    No it wasnt.

    To wait for any execution would then mean certain military confrontation. His move avoided that altogether.
    ?????? Seriously you don't think there is any military action happening in Ukraine right now?

    You need to understand something. Russia is not going to loose their warm water port, and they're not going to allow Ukraine to go NATO.
    Aside from that never having been a possibility, Putin never claimed that as the reason he was invading, in fact he denied that he was invading until long after he had control of Crimea and is still denying that he is invading eastern Ukraine.
    It is still not a reason to invade an annex part of another country. Well I suppose according to your twisted logic it would be OK for the USA to invade and annex Russia because it would be in their best interests.

    Now do you have any actual reason why it is OK for Putin to invade and annex part of another country or are you gonna repeat BS and continue to worship a megalomaniac dictator because you hate the USA so much?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Russia is clearly the biggest threat we Europeans now face. Our collective defence budgets are now about one third of what they were 25 years ago so we will need to re arm pretty dramatically in the face of this. This is no 'percieved' threat either but an actual one based on current events

    An arms race with Russia is the very last thing our governments economies and people want, but whatever twisted logic makes you happy
    Ok, I'm not really sure what that means because I'm pretty sure neither of us want to see another arms race with Russia. Although, I'm not willing to dismiss the notion that there would be people that would benefit from it. Nor that such people are amongst those with the power to either prevent it or pursue it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No it wasn't.


    ?????? Seriously you don't think there is any military action happening in Ukraine right now?


    Aside from that never having been a possibility, Putin never claimed that as the reason he was invading, in fact he denied that he was invading until long after he had control of Crimea and is still denying that he is invading eastern Ukraine.
    It is still not a reason to invade an annex part of another country. Well I suppose according to your twisted logic it would be OK for the USA to invade and annex Russia because it would be in their best interests.

    Now do you have any actual reason why it is OK for Putin to invade and annex part of another country or are you gonna repeat BS and continue to worship a megalomaniac dictator because you hate the USA so much?
    To the bolded, no point in going beyond that on the basis that we disagree on that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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