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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So if a country has had close ties with a neighbour they can invade and annex part of their neighbours country?
    Is that your actual argument?
    No, of course I am not saying that.

    This is just referring to this one (1) in-particular incident where the USA stirred up hostilities in the Ukraine and its neighbor Russia responded accordingly.

    Every other situation and other Countries have their own different particulars.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    No, of course I am not saying that.
    Sure sounds like it

    This is just referring to this one (1) in-particular incident where the USA stirred up hostilities in the Ukraine and its neighbor Russia responded accordingly.
    Well ignoring the fact that Putin actually created the crisis not the US, how does that equate to it being OK for Putin to invade and annex part of another country?

    Every other situation and other Countries have their own different particulars.
    Sure but how does an internal Ukrainian situation (caused by Putin) mean that Putin has the right to invade and annex part of the Ukraine?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Sure sounds like it
    Well then you can chose to believe what is actually said, and what is printed in front of your face and eyes,

    or else believe whatever you think you hear,

    and apparently that must be a BIG dilemma for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Well ignoring the fact that Putin actually created the crisis not the US, how does that equate to it being OK for Putin to invade and annex part of another country?
    Putin might have created the crisis for the USA and for the Ukraine, but our USA side of the so-called "crisis" would not have ever happened if the USA had only kept to minding our own business and not interfering with their business on the other side of the planet earth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Sure but how does an internal Ukrainian situation (caused by Putin) mean that Putin has the right to invade and annex part of the Ukraine?
    The so-called "right" is taken and it is not necessary to be given.

    The Republic of Russia (not Putin) annexed the Crimea so the "right" is already past and done and finished, and Russia has realistic control over the western part of the Ukraine so that "right" too is already past and done and finished.

    I realize that my fellow American claim to have some rights to this and rights to that, but in this Ukrainian case the American rights have been over ruled by Russia - and rightly so.

    As such if you want to know whatever "rights" are now left over then that too is up to the powerful Republic of Russia because Russia makes the rules.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Well then you can chose to believe what is actually said, and what is printed in front of your face and eyes,

    or else believe whatever you think you hear,

    and apparently that must be a BIG dilemma for you.


    Putin might have created the crisis for the USA and for the Ukraine, but our USA side of the so-called "crisis" would not have ever happened if the USA had only kept to minding our own business and not interfering with their business on the other side of the planet earth.


    The so-called "right" is taken and it is not necessary to be given.

    The Republic of Russia (not Putin) annexed the Crimea so the "right" is already past and done and finished, and Russia has realistic control over the western part of the Ukraine so that "right" too is already past and done and finished.

    I realize that my fellow American claim to have some rights to this and rights to that, but in this Ukrainian case the American rights have been over ruled by Russia - and rightly so.

    As such if you want to know whatever "rights" are now left over then that too is up to the powerful Republic of Russia because Russia makes the rules.
    Putin IS Russia. HE decides what happens. HE decided to invade the Ukraine.
    Russia didnt decide anything, the whole country didnt get together and vote on this, Putin decided.
    I am still waiting for you to explain why it was OK for Putin to invade and annex part of the Ukraine.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    It is Russia (and Putin) who does not want that treading.
    What treading please elaborate ?

    And I really see this as self evident, because there would not be a "crisis" otherwise.
    The only crisis here for Russia is Ukraines right to self determination being realised

    And I realize that you want to argue from the Ukrainian position but I say it is no longer their decision, as this is now just a dispute between the USA and Russia and everyone else is on the sidelines.
    No this is between Russia and Ukraine with everyone else being on the sidelines

    That is why you are asking for evidence which does not exist because it is not a matter about whatever the Ukrainians want, and that is because the Ukraine made itself irrelevant by bringing in the USA to stand in hostility against Russia.
    Please qualify either Ukraines or Americas hostility towards Russia in any way shape or form ?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What treading please elaborate ?

    Please qualify either Ukraines or Americas hostility towards Russia in any way shape or form ?
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    Or here = John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs

    Published by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    One of many #369 =

    Or here = John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs

    Published by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
    A repetition of Meirsheimers opinion piece again what a surprise ! Do I really have to repost my multiple rebuttals of it again ... and again... and again
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    One of many #369 =

    Or here = John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs

    Published by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
    Mr Mearsheimer's credentials crush flog's so called rebuttals. Btw, aren't you tired of wasting your time on somebody who hasn't a clue about what has transpired in Ukraine? Lol.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Mr Mearsheimer's credentials crush flog's so called rebuttals. Btw, aren't you tired of wasting your time on somebody who hasn't a clue about what has transpired in Ukraine? Lol.
    More likely I'm tired of wasting my time on a pathological anti US bigot more like, that couldn't care less about the fate of Ukraine and I'm not even American !
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    The Republic of Russia (not Putin) annexed the Crimea so the "right" is already past and done and finished, and Russia has realistic control over the western part of the Ukraine so that "right" too is already past and done and finished.
    Russia annexed Crimea. Fine...whatever...hope those vodka-drinking jackoffs choke on it. Still doesn't explain how Putin has the right to invade/cause chaos in a sovereign nation.

    As such if you want to know whatever "rights" are now left over then that too is up to the powerful Republic of Russia because Russia makes the rules.
    Russia makes the rules? No they don't.

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