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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    BS stop lying.
    Putin bribed coerced Yanukovych to refuse Euromaidan and insted try to seek closer ties to Russia. His own party ousted him and he fled to Russia.
    When Putin had failed to get Ukraine this way he invaided using tropps who had removed their insignia, denying it for weeks until he had full control.
    It had nothing to do with the US and everything to do with Putin.
    Yanukovych was illegally impeached under the Ukrainian Constitution. They failed to meet the 75% threshold.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yanukovych was illegally impeached under the Ukrainian Constitution. They failed to meet the 75% threshold.
    If you want to talk about illegalities I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian constitution didn't allow him to do this

    Prosecutor: Yanukovych's 'Mafia' Government Stole Up To $100 Billion From Ukraine And Some Of It Is Funding Rebels - Business Insider

    Which then explains this

    BBC News - Ukraine ex-leader Yanukovych wanted by Interpol

    When you understand his level of corruption you'll understand why he was overthrown. Do you think (like Putin) he would ever have allowed power to slip from his grasp democratically ?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Lol. The Moscow Times is owned by Sanoma Oyj which is headquartered in Helsinki, Finland.
    Sanoma Oyj is Finland largest media company and has it hands in SEVERAL NATO countries. Irony here is you don't even know who was the largest owner in Sanoma.. Erkko family and they have a pretty big history in Finland and Russian relations. Erkko family is very anti-Russian.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    If you want to talk about illegalities I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian constitution didn't allow him to do this

    Prosecutor: Yanukovych's 'Mafia' Government Stole Up To $100 Billion From Ukraine And Some Of It Is Funding Rebels - Business Insider

    Which then explains this

    BBC News - Ukraine ex-leader Yanukovych wanted by Interpol

    When you understand his level of corruption you'll understand why he was overthrown. Do you think (like Putin) he would ever have allowed power to slip from his grasp democratically ?
    And I am sure the Ukrainian constitution DOESN'T allow for overthrows either. Ukraine has ALWAYS been corrupt. Government before Yanukovych was just as corrupt. Vitaly Yarema (Chief Prosecutor) who's making the claims is dirty as hell too. He ran the Ministry of Internal Affairs from 2005-2010. And he was just ran out of his office.

    So welcome to Eastern European politics.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And I am sure the Ukrainian constitution DOESN'T allow for overthrows either. Ukraine has ALWAYS been corrupt. Government before Yanukovych was just as corrupt. Vitaly Yarema (Chief Prosecutor) who's making the claims is dirty as hell too. He ran the Ministry of Internal Affairs from 2005-2010. And he was just ran out of his office.

    So welcome to Eastern European politics.
    Yes indeed, but its the scale of the corruption and theft in this instance that marks it out. The sums involved here represent sizeable percentages of the countries GDP hence the subsequent Interpol involvement

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Sanoma Oyj is Finland largest media company and has it hands in SEVERAL NATO countries. Irony here is you don't even know who was the largest owner in Sanoma.. Erkko family and they have a pretty big history in Finland and Russian relations. Erkko family is very anti-Russian.
    Previous Sanoma major stakeholders Aatos Erkko and his wife Jane Erkko are both deceased. They had no children. Their personal fortune is now administered by the Jane and Aatos Erkko Foundation which supports high-level international research, the arts, and culture via donations, grants, and scholarships. Sanoma Oyj is a publicly owned company and the current CEO and Chairman of the Executive Management Group is Harri-Pekka Kaukonen.

    PS. Of course Aatos Erkko was anti-Russian. His father - Eljas Erkko - was a Finnish Foreign Minister who attempted to negotiate with the Soviets (unsuccessfully because the demands were too high). This led to the Russia-Finland Winter War (19391940). Aatos Erkko was also anti-American who railed against global US hegemony. On multiple occasions, he called the politics of the Bush government dangerous and the invasion of Iraq as a breach of international law. Erkko was instrumental in seeing Finland join the EU. With Russian aggression once again threatening Europe, Finland is now considering joining the NATO alliance.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yanukovych was illegally impeached under the Ukrainian Constitution. They failed to meet the 75% threshold.
    Nothing I said was incorrect.
    How does an internal Ukrainian situation give Putin the right to secretly invade and annex part of another country?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No thats a fact

    No I'm presenting my facts as facts. If they are not then be sure to let me know specifically which one I have misrepresented

    Given you still do not know the difference between fact and opinion (despite my pains to explain it for you as simply as I can) I'm more than happy to let others judge that for themselves.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    That is your opinion.
    Not when its qualified by established fact.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Not when its qualified by established fact.
    No, it is still just your opinion, and nothing else.

    But opinions do count, and sharing opinions is what make for a discussion to happen.
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