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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The guy was in a pretty big hurry, walking somewhere. Clearly the lady with the microphone and her cameraman were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Or, maybe he was mad because HE was in the wrong place at the wrong time?
    Or maybe it was just another Russian propaganda set up more like

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

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    Or maybe it was just another Russian propaganda set up more like
    Yeah, maybe it was Snowden dressed up in a Ukrainian uniform, playing a role.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yeah, maybe it was Snowden dressed up in a Ukrainian uniform, playing a role.
    Jest ye not . I've seen some hilariously obvious ones where these supposedly 'clandestine' operatives are filmed running up the middle of a high street in broad daylight with the Russians shouting 'Blackwater' 'Blackwater' in the background. Truly comic book stuff !

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

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    The Russians are one of many peoples throughout humanity who keep the immorality of the West in check.
    Via Stalin in particular and communism in general?

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    I do not agree with what you are referring to 20 years ago getting the Ukraine for free - but my understanding is that after the USSR break up then Russia did not want to hold the Ukraine and Russia was accepting and empowering the Ukraine as a free Republic.
    The Russians were accepting of an independent Ukraine, they were not empowering though. Following the Break up of the USSR, Russia envisioned the Slavic three (Russia, Ukraine and Belarus) plus Kazakhstan (at the time 50% slavic and german) orgainized into a sort of Confederation of Autonomous States.

    Ukraine, however, rejected the proposal out right and also demanded that the Black Sea fleet be divided between them equally. At the time, Russia had no economic, military or political leverage to keep Ukraine in a confederation, so they let them go. According to the Russians, Ukraine saying "no" also led to Belarus and Kazakhstan to say "no" as well. The Russians have not forgiven them for this and today, they have military leverage over Ukraine, so they are using it.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Or maybe it was just another Russian propaganda set up more like
    You do realize there are foreign "ideological volunteers" in Azov ... nobody ever tried to hide it, if I remember correctly there were even few Russians in it as well.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    You do realize there are foreign "ideological volunteers" in Azov ... nobody ever tried to hide it, if I remember correctly there were even few Russians in it as well.
    More than just a few I suspect. My comments were concerning comically obvious Russian propaganda films allegedly showing US Blackwater mercenaries were operating in Ukraine
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    More than just a few I suspect. My comments were concerning comically obvious Russian propaganda films allegedly showing US Blackwater mercenaries were operating in Ukraine
    Actually these "comically obvious Russian propaganda films" are real, non Russian footage, of people speaking in English - of course Russian cheap propagandist would try to spin it as some backwater guys.

    Unfortunately, on the other side we don't have anything better, with Vasilieva being sited by major Western newspapers, quoting SNBO and talking about claims of hundreds if not thousands of dead RussianGRUFSBChechenSpetsnaz every few days, etc ... so I really suggest you to get down from that moral high horse you're on.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Actually these "comically obvious Russian propaganda films" are real, non Russian footage, of people speaking in English - of course Russian cheap propagandist would try to spin it as some backwater guys.

    Unfortunately, on the other side we don't have anything better, with Vasilieva being sited by major Western newspapers, quoting SNBO and talking about claims of hundreds if not thousands of dead RussianGRUFSBChechenSpetsnaz every few days, etc ... so I really suggest you to get down from that moral high horse you're on.


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    What moral high horse ???

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What moral high horse ???
    This one:
    Or maybe it was just another Russian propaganda set up more like

    Jest ye not . I've seen some hilariously obvious ones where these supposedly 'clandestine' operatives are filmed running up the middle of a high street in broad daylight with the Russians shouting 'Blackwater' 'Blackwater' in the background. Truly comic book stuff !


    i.e. look at your own media before you start laughing at others propaganda ...

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It is Russian boots on the ground not American. It is Russian weapons that are being used not American

    Hard evidence, the regular Russian army invades Ukraine | Conflict Report
    The interference by the USA has been over-ruled by Russia, and rightly so.

    As if anyone can not figure that out!!!!



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    Via Stalin in particular and communism in general?
    That really is way far off the topic.

    But since it was Stalin and Communism who were so critical to winning the 2nd World War then I say we Americans need to try giving proper respect to those like them whom we owe so very much.
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