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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Then we tried to push around Russia and found out that Russia is not going to be Bullied by our petty tactics.
    And how did the US do this to Russia ? Money ? Guns ? Troops ?

    Still waiting for you to provide any evidence whatsoever supporting this contention

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This backfired though, Crimea is gone and as they (the Ukrainian army) continues to do things like use banned weapons like DC cluster bombs, they further loose credibility while Russia gains.
    You get all hot and bothered over Ukraine's use of cluster bombs...
    Are you just as upset with the anti-aircraft weapons Russian-backed terrorists used to down that passenger jet?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Putin can do whatever the **** he wants and he won't be listening to your protestations.
    No, he can't do whatever he wants.

    As to NATO, they have expanded a dozen times since the collapse of the old Soviet Union.
    Only because the old Soviet nations have voluntarily joined NATO...they weren't forced into it.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    You get all hot and bothered over Ukraine's use of cluster bombs...
    Are you just as upset with the anti-aircraft weapons Russian-backed terrorists used to down that passenger jet?
    I think the point being deliberately missed here is that Ukraine would not need to be using anything to defend itself with were it not under attack by Russia and its proxies in the first place

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And how did the US do this to Russia ? Money ? Guns ? Troops ?

    Still waiting for you to provide any evidence whatsoever supporting this contention
    You have been given the info here in this thread, so just because you deny or reject the info does not mean that you have not been given it.

    So yes evidence and proof has been given for all here to see.

    And the USA did that to Russia by our belligerent manipulation and interference in the Ukraine, as if that is not known.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    You have been given the info here in this thread, so just because you deny or reject the info does not mean that you have not been given it
    If that is so then you'll have no problem citing it then but before you inevitably clutch at your straw again be sure and familiarise yourself with post #376

    So yes evidence and proof has been given for all here to see.
    Funny how nobody but you has seen it then ?

    And the USA did that to Russia by our belligerent manipulation and interference in the Ukraine, as if that is not known.
    And again and for the umpteenth time. Please provide any physical and verifiable evidence whatsoever of US 'belligerent manipulation and interference in the Ukraine' ?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    In this case, the bold statement are not mutually compatible though. To be honest, Putin doesn't fear a military invasion from the West, what he fears (and many of the old school Soviet era buddies do) is the influx of Western ideals. Making a country NATO just removes a card that Russia could play from their hand. Hence why Putin has fought so hard on this.



    Have you seen the peace agreement by any chance yet? I haven't seen it on any of the usual MSM outlets yet.
    Reuters has the best thing up on it yet. It appears to be a cease fire more so than a lasting peace deal. Putin retains operational control of the border.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    You get all hot and bothered over Ukraine's use of cluster bombs...
    Are you just as upset with the anti-aircraft weapons Russian-backed terrorists used to down that passenger jet?
    That bull**** again, sorry, when there has been confirmation of the party responsible for the downing of that jet, we can have that discussion.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    No, he can't do whatever he wants.


    Only because the old Soviet nations have voluntarily joined NATO...they weren't forced into it.

    NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow?

    By Uwe Klußmann, Matthias Schepp and Klaus Wiegrefe

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has accused the West of breaking promises made after the fall of the Iron Curtain, saying that NATO's expansion into Eastern Europe violated commitments made during the negotiations over German reunification. Newly discovered documents from Western archives support the Russian position.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-663315.html
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And how did the US do this to Russia ? Money ? Guns ? Troops ?

    Still waiting for you to provide any evidence whatsoever supporting this contention
    From Der Spiegel which is one of the best at investigative journalism in the world.

    Good article on why Russia has a major issue with whats going on.

    Another one to drive the point home.


    Since 1990 NATO has expanded towards Russian borders. Putin in 2008 drew a line in the sand that Ukraine and Georgia was untouchable and ANY attempt to influence them would cause a reaction from Russia.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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