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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    Feel Free to continue shouting As much as you want. That doesn't change the facts. Bye.
    Facts are stubborn things, that's why I have presented them in full:


    At the 2001 Ukrainian National Census, the ethnic groups within the Donetsk Oblast were: Ukrainians – 2,744,100 (56.9%), Russians – 1,844,400 (38.2%), Pontic Greeks – 77,500 (1.6%), Belarusians – 44,500 (0.9%), others (2.3%).[9]

    Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The population is largely Russian-speaking, although ethnic Ukrainians constitute a majority (58.0%). Among the minorities are native Russians (39.1%), Belarusians (0.8%), and others (1.4%).

    Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ethnic structure

    Ethnic Ukrainians make up the largest percentage but less than half of the population; the second greatest ethnicity is Russian.

    Ethnicity Number of people Percent of population
    Ukrainian 248,683 48.7
    Russian 226,848 44.4


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    You see the facts are on my side and the big lie fascist propaganda straight from the war criminals in Kremlin are on yours.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    The facts are that about 75% of the population of the Donetsk region are Russian-speakers and about 70% of the population of the Luhansk region. The percentages are obviously even higher in the Crimea and Sevastopol.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Seriously? There was just a vote in Scotland last November about Scottish Independence. 45% (1.6 million) of the Scottish population voted to leave the UK.
    As a Scot myself I'm well aware of this. The independence vote lost and unlike Ukraine no blood was shed and no third party chose it as an opportunity to invade

    Then let's not forget about the never ending issues in Northern Ireland in which has even a longer history which includes ideas such as Home Rule, demands for separate Kingdoms by guys like Daniel O' Connell who called for the end of the Acts of the Union (1800) during the Catholic emancipation movement in the UK.
    As somebody who did two tours in Northern Ireland I'm well aware of this too. In 1994 the nationalists ended this conflict and chose peace themselves

    Yes, you are called the United Kingdom but you aren't that "united". Devolution has taken place in Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and even England with the Greater London Authority. Even Winston Churchill supported the idea of giving England it's own Parliament or dividing into regional parliaments and Royal Commissions have been set up over the issues as well. Hell even Cornwall is getting into the game and Labour has made some big promises to them.
    I never claimed we were perfect but the system currently works better than most I'd say

    You know what the leaves the UK as? An economic union with a federal system and autonomy.
    The UK economy is doing just fine at the moment in comparison to our neighbours

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    The facts are that about 75% of the population of the Donetsk region are Russian-speakers and about 70% of the population of the Luhansk region. The percentages are obviously even higher in the Crimea and Sevastopol.
    The majority ethnicity in Donetsk and Luhansk is Ukrainian. Being bilingual does not change ones ethnicity. The population statistics have been presented and prove you have no clue what you're talking about. Please provide your citations for you proven lie that the majority ethnicity in either Luhansk or Donetsk is Russian. I'll be waiting with baited breath for these statistics that exist only in your own mind.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    The facts are that about 75% of the population of the Donetsk region are Russian-speakers and about 70% of the population of the Luhansk region. The percentages are obviously even higher in the Crimea and Sevastopol.
    You do realise 99% of Ukrainians are bilingual so that statistic is pretty meaningless. In fact in the last census only 38% of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were ethnic Russians

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You do realise 99% of Ukrainians are bilingual so that statistic is pretty meaningless. In fact in the last census only 38% of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were ethnic Russians
    We are not talkking about being Bilingual but about what is peopl's primary language.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    We are not talkking about being Bilingual but about what is peopl's primary language.
    I speak some Russian and have been all over Ukraine. Ukrainians often speak a mish mash of both languages in coloquial conversation in fact and so it often makes it difficult to follow conversations at times believe me !

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    We are not talkking about being Bilingual but about what is peopl's primary language.
    A) You have been shown the map that shows that Ukrainian is the primary language in the overwhelming majority of the Ukraine.

    B) Language =/= ethnicity and being bilingual does not change ones ethnicity, you have been shown twice now that the majority of the population in the two examples you yourself cited are ethnically Ukrainian not Russian! The assertion that because more ethnic Ukrainians can speak Russian than ethnic Russians can speak Ukrainian means that the majority of the eastern Ukraine is Russian is the most illogical pile of nonsense that I've read in a while.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    People who hurl insults and purposely misrepresent what somebody else writes say a lot about themselves and Nothing about those they try to insult.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    People who hurl insults and purposely misrepresent what somebody else writes say a lot about themselves and Nothing about those they try to insult.
    This is what I wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Eastern Ukraine is overwhelmingly ethnic Ukrainian.
    This is what you wrote in response:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    This is patently not true.
    You have been shown even with your two cited examples of Luhansk and Donetsk, that you have no idea what you're talking about.

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