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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    It's not my problem that you have no idea what you're talking about.
    So all the major cities in Eastern Ukraine. You know, Donetsk, Lughansk, and Mariupol.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    It's not my problem that you have no idea what you're talking about.

    Figures and maps from the exact same census show that in the region Donetsk there are 75% Russian speakers and in the region Luhansk 70%. In several vordering regions it is close to 50%. The one who does,'t know what he is talkking about is you.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    The Hague Conventions are about how to conduct war, not about the reasons for going to war. The decision for a sovereign country to go to war tests with that country only and there may be many reasons for it. In certain circumstances a country may or may not feel that a trade embargo is a direct threat to iTS vital interests and security.
    So then you support aggressive war, good to know. If you want to take this to its inevitable conclusion then Japan violating the sovereignty and invading Manchuria, China, and Indo-China was a direct threat to the US vital interests and security thus giving us Casus Belli to engage in economic sanction. By your logic all members of the BDS movement have declared war on Israel, MLK Jr. declared war on the U.S. by supporting economic boycotts, and everyone who launched trade embargo's against S. Africa declared war on them as well.

    Regardless I clearly said "or any relevant treaty":

    Kellogg–Briand Pact
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    The Kellogg–Briand Pact (or Pact of Paris, officially General Treaty for Renunciation of War as an Instrument of National Policy[1]) was a 1928 international agreement in which signatory states promised not to use war to resolve "disputes or conflicts of whatever nature or of whatever origin they may be, which may arise among them".[2] Parties failing to abide by this promise "should be denied of the benefits furnished by this treaty". It was signed by Germany, France and the United States on August 27, 1928, and by most other nations soon after. Sponsored by France and the U.S., the Pact renounced the use of war and called for the peaceful settlement of disputes. Similar provisions were incorporated into the UN Charter and other treaties and it became a stepping stone to a more activist American policy.[3] It is named after its authors, United States Secretary of State Frank B. Kellogg and French foreign minister Aristide Briand.


    Kellogg

    The convention defined an act of aggression as follows:

    Declaration of war upon another State.
    Invasion by its armed forces, with or without a declaration of war, of the territory of another State.
    Attack by its land, naval or air forces, with or without a declaration of war, on the territory, vessels or aircraft of another State.
    Naval blockade of the coasts or ports of another State.
    Provision of support to armed bands formed in its territory which have invaded the territory of another State, or refusal, notwithstanding the request of the invaded State, to take, in its own territory, all the measures in its power to deprive those bands of all assistance or protection.


    War of aggression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So to reiterate it is good to know that you support aggressive war.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    Figures and maps from the exact same census show that in the region Donetsk there are 75% Russian speakers and in the region Luhansk 70%. In several vordering regions it is close to 50%. The one who does,'t know what he is talkking about is you.
    No such figures or maps exist, you are overtly lying, ethnic Ukrainians may speak both Ukrainian and Russian but the majority of the citizenry are ethnically Ukrainian not Russian:

    At the 2001 Ukrainian National Census, the ethnic groups within the Donetsk Oblast were: Ukrainians – 2,744,100 (56.9%), Russians – 1,844,400 (38.2%), Pontic Greeks – 77,500 (1.6%), Belarusians – 44,500 (0.9%), others (2.3%).[9]

    Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The population is largely Russian-speaking, although ethnic Ukrainians constitute a majority (58.0%). Among the minorities are native Russians (39.1%), Belarusians (0.8%), and others (1.4%).

    Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Way to fail.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    So all the major cities in Eastern Ukraine. You know, Donetsk, Lughansk, and Mariupol.

    All of which have majority ethnic Ukrainian populations so save your big lie propaganda for members of Putin's cult of personality:


    At the 2001 Ukrainian National Census, the ethnic groups within the Donetsk Oblast were: Ukrainians – 2,744,100 (56.9%), Russians – 1,844,400 (38.2%), Pontic Greeks – 77,500 (1.6%), Belarusians – 44,500 (0.9%), others (2.3%).[9]

    Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The population is largely Russian-speaking, although ethnic Ukrainians constitute a majority (58.0%). Among the minorities are native Russians (39.1%), Belarusians (0.8%), and others (1.4%).

    Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ethnic structure

    Ethnic Ukrainians make up the largest percentage but less than half of the population; the second greatest ethnicity is Russian.

    Ethnicity Number of people Percent of population
    Ukrainian 248,683 48.7
    Russian 226,848 44.4


    Mariupol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    No such figures or maps exist, you are overtly lying:

    At the 2001 Ukrainian National Census, the ethnic groups within the Donetsk Oblast were: Ukrainians – 2,744,100 (56.9%), Russians – 1,844,400 (38.2%), Pontic Greeks – 77,500 (1.6%), Belarusians – 44,500 (0.9%), others (2.3%).[9]

    Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The population is largely Russian-speaking, although ethnic Ukrainians constitute a majority (58.0%). Among the minorities are native Russians (39.1%), Belarusians (0.8%), and others (1.4%).

    Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Way to fail.
    They do exist and are easily found on the Wikipedia article concerning Ukraine. Your foolish accusations say enough about you.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    They do exist and are easily found on the Wikipedia article concerning Ukraine. Your foolish accusations say enough about you.
    The statistics have just been provided to you in full the majority of the populations of Luhansk and Donetsk are ethnically Ukrainian, your lie has been exposed, as is the fact that you have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about best to stick with the RT comments sections I think.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    So then you support aggressive war, good to know. If you want to take this to its inevitable conclusion then Japan violating the sovereignty and invading Manchuria, China, and Indo-China was a direct threat to the US vital interests and security thus giving us Casus Belli to engage in economic sanction. By your logic all members of the BDS movement have declared war on Israel, MLK Jr. declared war on the U.S. by supporting economic boycotts, and everyone who launched trade embargo's against S. Africa declared war on them as well.

    Regardless I clearly said "or any relevant treaty":

    Kellogg–Briand Pact
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Kellogg–Briand Pact (or Pact of Paris, officially General Treaty for Renunciation of War as an Instrument of National Policy[1]) was a 1928 international agreement in which signatory states promised not to use war to resolve "disputes or conflicts of whatever nature or of whatever origin they may be, which may arise among them".[2] Parties failing to abide by this promise "should be denied of the benefits furnished by this treaty". It was signed by Germany, France and the United States on August 27, 1928, and by most other nations soon after. Sponsored by France and the U.S., the Pact renounced the use of war and called for the peaceful settlement of disputes. Similar provisions were incorporated into the UN Charter and other treaties and it became a stepping stone to a more activist American policy.[3] It is named after its authors, United States Secretary of State Frank B. Kellogg and French foreign minister Aristide Briand.


    Kellogg

    The convention defined an act of aggression as follows:

    Declaration of war upon another State.
    Invasion by its armed forces, with or without a declaration of war, of the territory of another State.
    Attack by its land, naval or air forces, with or without a declaration of war, on the territory, vessels or aircraft of another State.
    Naval blockade of the coasts or ports of another State.
    Provision of support to armed bands formed in its territory which have invaded the territory of another State, or refusal, notwithstanding the request of the invaded State, to take, in its own territory, all the measures in its power to deprive those bands of all assistance or protection.


    War of aggression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So to reiterate it is good to know that you support aggressive war.
    I can't help it that you can't debate rationally. Bye.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    I can't help it that you can't debate rationally. Bye.
    It's not my fault that you have no idea what you're talking about, support aggressive war, and claim bull**** statistics, get pwned by the actual figures, and then take your ball and go home.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    The statistics have just been provided to you in full the majority of the populations of Luhansk and Donetsk are ethnically Ukrainian, your lie has been exposed, as is the fact that you have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about best to stick with the RT comments sections I think.
    Feel Free to continue shouting As much as you want. That doesn't change the facts. Bye.

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