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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Engaging in free trade is not a violation of neutrality, unrestricted submarine warfare in the North Atlantic on the other hand was an overt violation of the laws of the seas.



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    True. The US very happily and very effectively engaged in the same sort of violation in the Pacific in iTS war against Japan.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    There are differences between the Southern and Northern states of America that doesn't mean we aren't a United country, the Ukraine was an internationally recognized sovereign state and that includes the Crimea, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are ethnically Ukrainian not Russian, 38 million vs. 8.5 million.
    Yes, United States of America is united but united with devolved power to the States. There is no devolved power in Ukraine hence these issues being a big deal. Also, Northern States and Southern States fought each other for 4 years over some very key issues (despite the line of "Slavery", it was about the power of the Federal Government).

    Ukraine hasn't had that war until last year. Let them fight it out. Let them figure out themselves.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Engaging in free trade is not a violation of neutrality, unrestricted submarine warfare in the North Atlantic on the other hand was an overt violation of the laws of the seas.
    It's not free trade if you are ARMING one side and claiming neutrality to the others. Did Japan and Germany get US weapons? No.. So it was an act of war. Btw, there was no such thing as Free trade back then, everything was tariff based.





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    None of which was Casus Belli for the attack on Pearl Harbor.
    Wow.. so commodity and trade is not a good reason to go to war.. Oh wait.. I see you are stuck with POST WWII definitions from the UN. Guess you know very little about history.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post

    Ukraine hasn't had that war until last year. Let them fight it out. Let them figure out themselves.
    Unfortunately that is impossible because Russia has invaded them and annexed their territory, this isn't a civil war it is a Russian invasion of a sovereign state.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's not free trade if you are ARMING one side and claiming neutrality to the others. Did Japan and Germany get US weapons? No.. So it was an act of war.
    Please provide the provisions of the Hague Conventions or any other relevant treaty under which selling arms to a belligerent engaged in a war against another belligerent is an act of war. Tell me did the Soviet Union commit an act of war against the US when it provided arms to the North Koreans and the North Vietnamese?

    Btw, there was no such thing as Free trade back then, everything was tariff based.
    Reciprocal Tariff Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Wow.. so commodity and trade is not a good reason to go to war.. Oh wait.. I see you are stuck with POST WWII definitions from the UN. Guess you know very little about history.
    Ah I see so you are in a world where engaging in trade and not engaging in trade are acts of war.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    LOL.. yeah... turn out was what in Eastern Ukraine?
    Eastern Ukraine is overwhelmingly ethnic Ukrainian.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Please provide the provisions of the Hague Conventions or any other relevant treaty under which selling arms to a belligerent engaged in a war against another belligerent is an act of war. Tell me did the Soviet Union commit an act of war against the US when it provided arms to the North Koreans and the North Vietnamese?



    Reciprocal Tariff Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Ah I see so you are in a world where engaging in trade and not engaging in trade are acts of war.
    The Hague Conventions are about how to conduct war, not about the reasons for going to war. The decision for a sovereign country to go to war tests with that country only and there may be many reasons for it. In certain circumstances a country may or may not feel that a trade embargo is a direct threat to iTS vital interests and security.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Eastern Ukraine is overwhelmingly ethnic Ukrainian.
    This is patently not true.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, they just do it to Muslim countries.
    Which Muslim territory has the US annexed?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    This is patently not true.
    It's not my problem that you have no idea what you're talking about.


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