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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Obama is a war criminal too if Putin is one. So is half of Nato.
    Are you actually trying to compare Obama to Putin? Obama is a freakin kitten compared to Putin. Putin is a dictator. A corrupt leader. Obama sucks. And he may be underhanded and sneaky, but he is also a politician. They all are. I wouldn't be surprised if Putin had a nightly ritual of murdering puppies with his bare hands.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Those tens of thousands of merchant seaman who were sunk by Hitler would beg to differ with you.
    You know, the Nazis allied with Japan.
    How long would you have allowed the Japanese to expand without cutting off their oil?

    Good thing FDR was able to overcome the traitors in the GOP who were aligned with the Nazis in the 1930s.
    Such as Sen. Prescott Bush--GWB's grandfather .
    True indeed, and Henry Ford was another corporatist nazi sympathiser and Jew hater.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Um right, the folks strolling about the streets in Crimea look quite happy these days. I see no complaints.
    Have you been there lately then ?

    Russia Is (Again) Persecuting the Crimean Tatars - Carnegie Europe - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    According to Russia, Tatar leaders have been slipping off to Turkey to plot unrest back home. At any rate, since when do you give a **** about Muslims? Hmmm.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    According to Russia, Tatar leaders have been slipping off to Turkey to plot unrest back home. At any rate, since when do you give a **** about Muslims? Hmmm.
    According to Russia ..... uh huh

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    According to Russia ..... uh huh
    Yes. Because everything Russia says is false and everything the EU says is true, every body knows that by now.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes. Because everything Russia says is false and everything the EU says is true, every body knows that by now.
    On balance I think I'll take the view of the side that doesn't assissinate the journalists not towing the government line.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    On balance I think I'll take the view of the side that doesn't assissinate the journalists not towing the government line.
    Your view doesn't matter, on Ukraine, Putin rules the day.

    Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault
    John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs

    Published by the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
    Last edited by Montecresto; 02-11-15 at 03:28 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your view doesn't matter, on Ukraine, Putin rules the day.
    Much to your delight it seems, though for the life of me I cannot understand why. Have Ukrainians done something to you that you despise them so ?

    A rebuttal for your opinion piece

    Mearsheimer appears to believe:

    There is a thinking entity called “Russia” which has preferences and interests, and which has rights to have its preferences satisfied and its interests accommodated.

    “Russia” has an interest in and prefers to have Kiev ruled by a corrupt thug pleasing to whatever corrupt thug currently rules in Moscow.

    The United States should not say “boo” to this: it should not seek to extend its security umbrella over Kiev, it should not seek greater economic integration with Kiev, it should not encourage the growth of a civil society and democratic polity in Kiev that would object to be ruled by a corrupt thug pleasing to Moscow.

    The rest of NATO and the European Union should also not say “boo” to this: they should not seek to extend its security umbrella over Kiev, they should not seek greater economic integration with Kiev, they should not encourage the growth of a civil society and democratic polity in Kiev that would object to be ruled by a corrupt thug pleasing to Moscow.


    http://equitablegrowth.org/2014/09/1...ember-19-2014/

    In short why are Russia's and not Ukraine's priorities the ones that take precedence here ?
    Last edited by flogger; 02-11-15 at 03:40 PM.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Much to your delight it seems, though for the life of me I cannot understand why. Have Ukrainians done something to you that you despise them so ?
    No, I don't believe I've ever said that. Putin rules the day because as the Council on Foreign Relations has pointed out (click the link in post 369) the crisis is the fault of the West. And you are in a state of denial on that. But like I said, your view is irrelevant, even Putin knows that the American CFR has acknowledged his superior position, and he's going forward with his plans, floggers protestations not withstanding!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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