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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Those tens of thousands of merchant seaman who were sunk by Hitler would beg to differ with you.
    You know, the Nazis allied with Japan.
    How long would you have allowed the Japanese to expand without cutting off their oil?

    Good thing FDR was able to overcome the traitors in the GOP who were aligned with the Nazis in the 1930s.
    Such as Sen. Prescott Bush--GWB's grandfather .
    Further off topic dishonesty accusing people of being aligned with the Nazi's. The eldest Bush was a director of a bank who did work for Thyssen. Thyssen fled Germany in 1941, was captured in France and was detained for the balance of the war.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And if we go a bit further back in (unwritten) history before political creations, neither Ukraine nor Russia existed. So what's the point?
    The point is, don't count on Lady History to support your disingenuous abuse of her.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You mean Ukrainian self determination doesn't deliver what YOU like
    I'm not the one troubled by the choice Crimean's made recently.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Did you look at the 2010 Election map of Ukraine. You can view it here.
    Did you look at the 2014 Election map of Ukraine? You can view it below...



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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not the one troubled by the choice Crimean's made recently.
    Or was forced to make at gunpoint more like.....this is just the beginning
    Last edited by flogger; 02-11-15 at 11:03 AM.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You ignore the truth that Ukraine has the democratic right to determine its own destiny. I couldn't care less if you feel that destiny conflicts with your wishes
    I do not know of any democratic right.

    God does not give that right, and it is not a human right, and there is no entity that gives any such right.

    The USA might try to impose that "right" but it is quite clear that the Republic of Russia has overruled that pretense.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    I do not know of any democratic right.
    Yes you do you just don't want to know

    Constitution of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    God does not give that right, and it is not a human right, and there is no entity that gives any such right.
    The Ukrainian constitution 1996 does. Sorry but trusting 'rights' to the alleged wishes of medieval supernatural deities is a non starter

    The USA might try to impose that "right"
    Please show where the US has ever done so with Ukraine ?

    but it is quite clear that the Republic of Russia has overruled that pretense.
    At the point of a gun. You might wish international affairs be arbitrated by the law of the jungle where might means right but I fundamentally disagree

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Yes you do you just don't want to know

    Constitution of Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Ukrainian constitution 1996 does.
    I certainly am not going to read that Constitution, and you give no quote, so you claim it says some "right" and so be it.

    Therefore do you now suppose that the Ukrainian government has finally woken up to the reality?

    The Ukraine had no right to align itself to the warmonger USA regardless of whatever their Constitution might have said.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Therefore do you now suppose that the Ukrainian government has finally woken up to the reality?
    The reality that it is going to have its hard won sovereignty trampled into the ground and be oppressed by it larger neighbour again you mean ?

    The Ukraine had no right to align itself to the warmonger USA regardless of whatever their Constitution might have said.
    Please show evidence that Ukraine has ever done so or that the US had ever asked it to ...... again ?

    Just because you are determined to believe something doesn't automatically make it so
    Last edited by flogger; 02-11-15 at 01:56 PM.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Or was forced to make at gunpoint more like.....this is just the beginning
    Um right, the folks strolling about the streets in Crimea look quite happy these days. I see no complaints.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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