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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Why doesn’t the Ukrainian military participate in Ukrainian attacks?

    It has been a month since the resumption of combat operations, and one can start drawing conclusions.

    I already noted that the UAF are unwilling to attack. It was perfectly evident at the Donetsk Airport (the 93rd Brigade which conducted active operations incorporated three territorial battalions of volunteers into its structure, therefore its “eagerness”, combined with the eagerness of brigade commander Mikats, is fully understandable).

    But it’s downhill from there. UAF units (the old, regular units, even though that’s not always the correct description) have stopped being noticed among the counter-attacking forces. The last time they were active was on the Bakhmutka (the 28th Brigade).

    All counter-attacks around Debaltsevo were launched by “volunteers.” Yesterday UAF units DELIBERATELY opted not to launch a suicidal attack, which greatly “disturbed” Semenchenko.

    Likewise the most recent “attack” around Mariupol was launched only by Azov. Even though there are many UAF units nearby. Including a tank battalion. It’s a strange attack. In general one gets the impression that the operation does not concern the UAF at all, and maybe it was not even coordinated with it.
    Why doesn’t the Ukrainian military participate in Ukrainian attacks? - Fort Russ

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Yup . Fort Russ a Russian propaganda mouthpiece said it so it must be true right ? I remember this lot peddling the wacky 'alternative' MH17 shootdown bilge too

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Don't trust Russian propaganda? Time will tell. Soon.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    First of all even if the Ukraine wanted to join NATO that is their right as a sovereign nation, and second of all the EU is not NATO.
    See below:
    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What if Ukraine wanted to join the EU and NATO of her own free will and belligerent intent had nothing to do with it ?
    I have already given you the answer before, and you ignore it when reality will never ignore the truth.

    No person nor any Country is an island, as we all have neighbors who have a say in our business whether anyone likes it or not.

    The Ukraine does not have any right or option to become hostile to its neighbor Russia without facing the repercussions.

    They possibly could act independently if their was no belligerence (perceived or intended) but in the reality of this case with the USA being the warmonger Country of the entire planet earth, so then any alignment of the Ukraine to the USA is automatically hostile and belligerent even if the Ukraine is too blind or stupid to know that.


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    Thirteen of the Council's 15 members voted in favour of the draft text, Russia voted against, and China abstained. A veto by any of the Council's five permanent members China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States means a resolution cannot be adopted.
    The resolution was rightfully rejected and now it is dead.

    Duh.

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    So we are all safe and alive because Putin hasn't launched a nuclear strike in response to economic sanctions? Is that what you mean by this nonsensical statement? Gee I guess we should all be grateful for dear leaders magnanimity
    The sanctions against Russia are unjust and naive, so yes they are tolerating our immature hostilities.

    And prior to 1945 the USA had unjust sanctions against Japan which prompted Japan to launch their first strike against our Pearl Harbor.

    So the USA might do better if we learn from history, instead of repeating our mistakes.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    I have already given you the answer before, and you ignore it when reality will never ignore the truth.
    You ignore the truth that Ukraine has the democratic right to determine its own destiny. I couldn't care less if you feel that destiny conflicts with your wishes

    No person nor any Country is an island, as we all have neighbors who have a say in our business whether anyone likes it or not.
    Tell that to the Israelis, Cubans ,Taiwanese and South Koreans

    The Ukraine does not have any right or option to become hostile to its neighbor Russia without facing the repercussions.
    Show any evidence of this Ukranian hostility since it became independent in 1991 ?

    They possibly could act independently if their was no belligerence (perceived or intended) but in the reality of this case with the USA being the warmonger Country of the entire planet earth, so then any alignment of the Ukraine to the USA is automatically hostile and belligerent even if the Ukraine is too blind or stupid to know that.
    Still waiting for your evidence of this US 'warmongering' in Ukraine ?

    The sanctions against Russia are unjust and naive, so yes they are tolerating our immature hostilities.
    Rather than the US mythical hostilities here what about Russian actual hostilities or do they just get a free pass because you hope it will upset the West if they do ?

    And prior to 1945 the USA had unjust sanctions against Japan which prompted Japan to launch their first strike against our Pearl Harbor.
    Nothing to do with the fact that Japan were murdering millions of innocents in a barbarous war of conquest in China ? The US had warned the Japanese multiple times to end this conflict since it started it in 1937 and that there would be economic consequences but was ignored.

    So the USA might do better if we learn from history, instead of repeating our mistakes.
    Appeasing dictators hasn't tended to work too well in the past and it won't again this time yet thats exactly the mistake you want it to make
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Putin is 100% at fault here but you keep pretending he isn't.
    Not pretending, saying!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Yes but some are 'darker' than others and Putin is certainly one of the most sinister figures on the world stage today

    https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/
    Look dude, no politicians are clean, understand.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    This really has become German expansion in the 1930s - and the exact same rational. To protect "ethnic" Russians - which is the result of Russians moved into the region plus defining anyone who knows the Russian language as Russian. Many so-called Russians in Ukraine are not Ukraine citizens. This is the same as Hitler's expansion claiming it was to protect ethnic Germans.

    Putin want's Ukraine's vital industrial East. With it, Russia can continue to pursue reforming the Soviet Union as the dominate superpower. Without it, that goal could not be obtained.
    Germany 1930's/Hitler the epitome of hyperbole.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Look dude, no politicians are clean, understand.
    Very few are quite as 'tainted' as this guy though.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    There was united Ukraine until Kiev government started bombardments of its of eastern cities.
    The Rebels are the ones killing the most civilians.

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