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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'm not. The 38% of ethnic Russians living in the Eastern provinces were fine about it until the Russians decided they shouldn't be anymore
    That's not what they say. And having traveled about the country doesn't give you any authority to speak for them!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Yes because the UNSC and the UNGA are "10 western countries" your arguments and apologetics for a fascist dictator are both laughable and disgusting.
    I don't think that you're the one that should be laughing right now.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    Maybe you should read what I wrote. I didn't use any percentages. But if you can't accept facts then that is your problem, not mine. For the rest I see you belong to those who seek to devalue the term "war crime" to a completely meaningless insult.
    Maybe you should study the damn subject before opening your flap then. According to the Russian version of events 97% of the Crimea voted for annexation, unfortunately for this laughable version of events the Crimea only has a 58% ethnic Russian population, so about that bridge sport, I'll cut you a good deal.

    I'm am not devaluing anything, the illegal annexation of the Crimea has been condemned by the UNGA and the UNSC as the war crime that it is and since the illegal occupation and annexation the Russian invaders have perpetrated ethnic cleansing against ethnic Ukrainians in the Crimea and mass murder of non-Russians in Eastern Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal and internationally recognized as such.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You are incorrect, in fact 58% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians. In that respect it is the only Ukrainian oblast with a distinct Russian majority unlike with the currently contested Donetsk and Luhansk which have just 38%
    Ok I misread the demographics page on wiki, my point still stands, the assertion that 97% of Crimeans voted for annexation when only 58% of them are even Russian is laughable.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't think that you're the one that should be laughing right now.
    Why? I'm demolishing your apologetics for fascist mass murderers on the daily.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Maybe you should study the damn subject before opening your flap then. According to the Russian version of events 97% of the Crimea voted for annexation, unfortunately for this laughable version of events the Crimea only has a 33% ethnic Russian population, so about that bridge sport, I'll cut you a good deal.

    I'm am not devaluing anything, the illegal annexation of the Crimea has been condemned by the UNGA and the UNSC as the war crime that it is and since the illegal occupation and annexation the Russian invaders have perpetrated ethnic cleansing against ethnic Ukrainians in the Crimea and mass murder of non-Russians in Eastern Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal and internationally recognized as such.
    Why are you selective in the credence you give to the UN. The UN also has a slew of NB resolutions against Israel, but suddenly the UN doesn't know what they're talking about there.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Why? I'm demolishing your apologetics for fascist mass murderers on the daily.
    I think Putin's doing that to you.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's not what they say. And having traveled about the country doesn't give you any authority to speak for them!
    How do you know what they say ? RT or some other Russian state controlled mouthpiece no doubt. Travelling round the country over the course of 8 years certainly made me notice no Russian flags flying but plenty of EU and Ukrainian ones

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    If we let the Western propaganda define reality then that would be accurate, but when we judge the reality based on truth and justice then it is not.
    Didn't realize the UNGA and UNSC resolutions are considered "Western Propaganda" now.


    United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262

    The resolution, which was supported by 100 United Nations member states, affirmed the United Nations commitment to recognize Crimea within Ukraine’s international borders and underscored the invalidity of the 2014 Crimean referendum. Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Russia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe all voted against the resolution. There were also 58 abstentions, and a further 24 states did not vote through being absent when the vote took place.

    United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region

    General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

    Even the UNSC voted against it and had it not been for Russia's permanent member status it would have passed, even China abstained which was tantamount to a yes vote:

    15 March 2014 – Owing to the negative vote of one of its permanent members, the United Nations Security Council today failed to adopt a draft resolution which urged countries not to recognize the results of this weekend's referendum in Crimea.

    Thirteen of the Council's 15 members voted in favour of the draft text, Russia voted against, and China abstained. A veto by any of the Council's five permanent members – China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States – means a resolution cannot be adopted.


    United Nations News Centre - UN Security Council action on Crimea referendum blocked


    I certainly view President Putin as a brilliant diplomat and strategist and Leader.
    I think the Russian economy would disagree.

    The reason that we are still safe and alive here in the USA is because President Putin does not call our pretentious bluff and defy our petty bullying.
    So we are all safe and alive because Putin hasn't launched a nuclear strike in response to economic sanctions? Is that what you mean by this nonsensical statement? Gee I guess we should all be grateful for dear leaders magnanimity

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    Our own American government makes us here in the USA unsafe and insecure, so thank God that President Putin is protecting us from our own folly.
    ALL HEIL DEAR LEADER PUTIN!!!

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Maybe you should study the damn subject before opening your flap then. According to the Russian version of events 97% of the Crimea voted for annexation, unfortunately for this laughable version of events the Crimea only has a 58% ethnic Russian population, so about that bridge sport, I'll cut you a good deal.

    I'm am not devaluing anything, the illegal annexation of the Crimea has been condemned by the UNGA and the UNSC as the war crime that it is and since the illegal occupation and annexation the Russian invaders have perpetrated ethnic cleansing against ethnic Ukrainians in the Crimea and mass murder of non-Russians in Eastern Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal and internationally recognized as such.
    Doesn't matter how long time you would waste on studying the subject as it's clear your knowledge about it is less than zero anyway.

    Even here not so often one can watch such a bulk of b******.

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