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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Yeah, it had nothing to do with Russian cronies in those position that was why they chose the deal. And all those people in the streets were just American plants. Guess they all got flown in from Alabama right?
    Oh sure Russia had cronies just as Western nations did, I would never deny that. Everybody was working their angle. The protesters were Ukrainians, not Alabamans, but they were a couple hundred thousand, they didn't speak for 43,000,000 Ukrainians, A and B, driving the president from his office and firing upon his motorcade as he fled for his life is hardly the democratic model that you espouse else where's. Would you have supported an angry mob of half a million Americans driving Bush out of the WH and firing upon his motorcade as he fled because of the anger that there was over his lies surrounding the Iraq war and our senseless loss of blood and treasure? Hmm
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Both countries had been courting Ukraine for years, in the end Ukraine decided that there'd get a better deal with Russia then they would with the US/West. It's only then that Western intrigue kicked in full speed. Putin is responding, and not the aggressor.
    No Yanukovych decided this much against the will of the bulk of Ukrainians who wanted nothing to do with any such accommodation (which had nothing whatsoever to do with the US of course) . The rest of what happened next is as they say ....history

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It enjoyed the support of the "ethnic Russians" in Crimea. Not the ethnic Ukrainians living there nor the indigenous Tarters.
    Pure lie. Or maybe you simply did not learn arithmetics at school.

    Eighty-two percent of those polled said they fully supported Crimea's inclusion in Russia, and another 11 percent expressed partial support. Only 4 percent spoke out against it.

    One Year Later, Crimeans Prefer Russia - Bloomberg View
    Considering Ukrainians are about 25% of population and Tatars about 10% - they are in the same part of 93% which preferred Russia.

    Anyway as I spoke many times the ethic identifiction does not define political preferences, and in cultural sense Russians and Ukrainians are the same people.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No Yanukovych decided this much against the will of the bulk of Ukrainians who wanted nothing to do with any such accommodation (which had nothing whatsoever to do with the US of course) . The rest of what happened next is as they say ....history
    Would you support the removal of an American president by the same means an angry mob removed Yanukovych?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Yeah, it had nothing to do with Russian cronies in those position that was why they chose the deal. And all those people in the streets were just American plants. Guess they all got flown in from Alabama right?
    There are far too many here (based on US conduct over the last 15 years), prepared to find the US guilty until proven innocent. They've let their domestic cynicism blind their objectivity and thats very much the case with this whole Ukrainian business. This is now and always has been Russia's game not Americas. If the US really wanted Ukraine as badly as is alleged ,she could have gotten it for free 20 years ago when a bankrupt militarily prostrate Russia led by a drunk was in a far weaker position than today.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Would you support the removal of an American president by the same means an angry mob removed Yanukovych?
    Isn't that why the Americans hoard private arsenals of military assault weapons ?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    In Avdeyevka, Donetsk region, the locals attacked Ukrainian journalists:



    People cry:

    Who are you?! Ukrainian TV?! We'll kill you! Get out of here! F*cking khokhols! ("Khokhol" is the insulting name of Ukrainian).
    United Ukraine?! F*ck your "united Ukraine"!!!
    National guard are gangsters!
    You say DPR are Russians! What Russians?! Half of our Avdeyevka are in DPR!!!

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    United Ukraine?! F*ck your "united Ukraine"!!!
    National guard are gangsters!
    You say DPR are Russians! What Russians?! Half of our Avdeyevka are in DPR!!!
    Heads up. There was a united Ukraine for 23 years until you guys decided that there shouldn't be anymore

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Isn't that why the Americans hoard private arsenals of military assault weapons ?
    Lovely answer.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Heads up. There was a united Ukraine for 23 years until you guys decided that there shouldn't be anymore
    There was united Ukraine until Kiev government started bombardments of its of eastern cities.

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