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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    What exactly has the US annexed in the past 100 years?
    Even if they had how does that justify Putin annexing part of the Ukraine?
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Dude, I suggest you look up the Kievan Rus Empire.
    I suggest you look up facts. Kievan Rus' was lead by Oleg Rurik. You know what Oleg was known as.. Oleg of Novgorod. Oleg of Novgorod captured Kiev from the Varangian in 882. Oleg moved the Capital from Veliky Novogorod to Kiev because of Kiev's location on a trade route.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What is it we are supposed to be imposing on Russia then ?
    Trying to get the Ukraine under American control including NATO, as that was our belligerent intent.

    That would have been an unreasonable imposition of Russia so they rightfully defied it.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Its not the US who's troops is it are in someone elses country annexing chunks of it for themselves ?
    There would be US troops in there is it were not that Russia is so powerful as to stop us.

    Of course the US CIA is there infecting the problems.

    We are doing our warmongering and bullying in so many other Countries and the Ukraine was intended as another pawn for the picking.

    Now the USA talks about sending military assistance and if we do then Russia will rightfully escalate and give our side more to cry about.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Appeasement has been tried once before. It didn't turn out well
    That really is a naive way of viewing history, and it is silly American propaganda that never gets straightened out.

    The so-called "Appeasement" of Nazi Germany was a success because it closed the door to any future terms and only an unconditional surrender was required because Germany failed to be appeased.

    The attempt to "Appease" was a huge success in that it was the driving nail into the final coffin of the Third Reich.

    The later calls against "appeasement" was based on that history that the Nazis could not be appeased.

    Misusing that slogan for other realities is extremely uninformed.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Trying to get the Ukraine under American control including NATO, as that was our belligerent intent.
    What if Ukraine wanted to join the EU and NATO of her own free will and belligerent intent had nothing to do with it ?

    That would have been an unreasonable imposition of Russia so they rightfully defied it.
    Russia has no right to defy the free will of a neighbouring sovereign state by use of force. It is in direct breach of the UN charter by doing so

    There would be US troops in there is it were not that Russia is so powerful as to stop us.
    But there weren't any US troops there nor I suspect was there ever any intent that there should be. Prove me wrong ?

    Of course the US CIA is there infecting the problems.
    Prove it ?

    We are doing our warmongering and bullying in so many other Countries and the Ukraine was intended as another pawn for the picking.
    Prove it ?

    Now the USA talks about sending military assistance and if we do then Russia will rightfully escalate and give our side more to cry about.
    But if the big bad USA was involved in concocting this conspiracy from the get go then why has it waited all this time to provide even this very minimal assistance ?

    That really is a naive way of viewing history, and it is silly American propaganda that never gets straightened out.
    I don't care about that because I'm not American

    The so-called "Appeasement" of Nazi Germany was a success because it closed the door to any future terms and only an unconditional surrender was required because Germany failed to be appeased.
    The attempt to "Appease" was a huge success in that it was the driving nail into the final coffin of the Third Reich.
    What an utterly deranged perception of history you seem to have

    Appeasement was a 'huge success' was it ?

    The later calls against "appeasement" was based on that history that the Nazis could not be appeased.
    Misusing that slogan for other realities is extremely uninformed.
    The subsequent loss of 55 million lives stands as mute testimony to the sheer enormity of your self delusion

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorry, but the English subtitles aren't coming through for me.
    You should go to youtube, then it works.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Trying to get the Ukraine under American control including NATO, as that was our belligerent intent.

    That would have been an unreasonable imposition of Russia so they rightfully defied it.
    So just making stuff up as you go along eh? First of all even if the Ukraine wanted to join NATO that is their right as a sovereign nation, and second of all the EU is not NATO.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    If you care about exposing wrong doing then why are you not Lambasting Putin?
    Because he hasn't done anything wrong, in this situation. You are either in denial of US interference, or ignorant of it, I'm not sure which yet.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    What exactly has the US annexed in the past 100 years?
    Hawaii, for starters.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    You should go to youtube, then it works.
    I'll try that, thank you.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because he hasn't done anything wrong, in this situation. You are either in denial of US interference, or ignorant of it, I'm not sure which yet.

    Putin is an internationally recognized war criminal so you have an interesting concept of "done nothing wrong".

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