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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Our petty bullying? We weren't the ones who walked into Crimea, said "It's ours", held a globally-unrecognized referendum to make it official and then started sending weapons to our ethnic cousins next door to start a ****storm.
    Since we the USA did not do that then no - of course that is not being said.

    The American bullying is about the things that the USA did do and what we keep on doing as our bullying.

    When Russia annexed the Crimea then that was not bullying - no - that was Russia putting down their foot as like the governing authority does.

    It is confusing to see the USA bullying tactics being used against Russia because Russia could wipe us off of the face of the earth in less than 30 minutes, so the USA is being utterly foolish trying to bully a sleeping Bear which we do not have the power to bully.

    And it is very probable that Russia could strike us first and knock out our primary defenses so that we would not even be able to retaliate, as we are super vulnerable and only the Americans are too blind stupid to NOT see this glaring reality.


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    Western propaganda ? So is Russia's state controlled media better ?
    It is not a competition.

    I have no idea what is said in the Russian media.

    What I do see and do know is that our American propaganda is insanely stupid.

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    So you prefer a despotic oppressor in control of your life then ?
    I do prefer a benevolent Theocracy with an honorable Monarchy.

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    A democracy where the immoral rabble votes on important subjects is extremely dangerous, and democracy is always doomed to ultimate failure.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post

    I do prefer a benevolent Theocracy with an honorable Monarchy.

    The greatest ideal is the "Kingdom of God" on earth as it is in Heaven.
    So basically just another religious nut then. Thanks for stopping by and good luck with that approach with the Russians

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So basically just another religious nut then. Thanks for stopping by and good luck with that approach with the Russians
    No ****, isn't that kinda what the Islamic State wants, no thanks.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Ukraine should agree to cultural autonomy to all areas with a Russian majority.

    Similar to what Crimea had before the Russian anschluss.

    But all Russian personnel and military equipment must go back to Russia.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    Ukraine should agree to cultural autonomy to all areas with a Russian majority.

    Similar to what Crimea had before the Russian anschluss.

    But all Russian personnel and military equipment must go back to Russia.
    I think that a splendid climax to this unnecessary conflict.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    Ukraine should agree to cultural autonomy to all areas with a Russian majority.

    Similar to what Crimea had before the Russian anschluss.

    But all Russian personnel and military equipment must go back to Russia.
    The problem is the Donetsk and Luhansk areas in conflict do not have a Russian majority. Its at around 38% with Ukrainians being by far the largest ethnic group

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Better get used to it. My bet is that Russia will not allow the west to set up camp in their back yard.
    As they've been saying since 2005.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Having visited Ukraine many times and listened to their views I'm VERY confident of that
    As have I and the divide has always been the Dnieper and even parts of Odessa in which Soviets hold high regard to the general populace because of what they did to protect the city during WW2. So it's not as clear cut as you say. Western Ukraine (West of the Dnierper) is highly anti-Russian but again these were the folks who joined the Nazi army as well especially those in Galicia area of Ukraine.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    If you want to go back in history, Moscow is situated on land that was originally Ukrainian.

    Do you have anything... contemporary?

    Dude your history is not even correct. Rurik Dynasty ruled the area. Rurik Dynasty was started with Rurik in the 9th century when Novgorod existed. Ivan III of Russia and Ivan the Terrible expanded and combined family lands.

    What you are telling people is akin to a British person telling me that the House of Windsor is NOT German. Despite the fact King George VII (Queen Victoria) being from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha of the House of Wettin.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    As have I and the divide has always been the Dnieper and even parts of Odessa in which Soviets hold high regard to the general populace because of what they did to protect the city during WW2. So it's not as clear cut as you say. Western Ukraine (West of the Dnierper) is highly anti-Russian but again these were the folks who joined the Nazi army as well especially those in Galicia area of Ukraine.
    Having visited places in Eastern Ukraine too I'm certain that the only way Putin can achieve his aim is to divide and conquer. He cannot win any referendum in the disputed areas because unlike with Crimea the math of ethnic demographic works against him. The best he can hope for is to keep Ukraine politically and militarily destabilised, keeping it out of the EU and NATO as long as he can. It may also be that he wants to force as many ethnic Ukrainians out of the region as possible thereby permanently changing the numerical balance of what was once an unfavourable demographic. Obviously this gameplan will require much time in order to be realised

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