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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Imperialism has broad meanings, look it up, imperialistic actions don't necessitate, but certainly include, physical occupation, an imperialisticly powerful US has forced its will upon weaker nations the world over for a plethora of reasons, but resources exploitation has been chief amongst them.
    So because the US has used its power to influence others it is OK for Putin to secretly invade and annex part of another country?
    Not only are you comparing apples to oranges you continually are making the horrible 2 wrongs make a right argument.
    Unfortunately 2 wrongs do not make a right and what Putin is doing is wrong no matter how you look at it.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Our petty bullying? We weren't the ones who walked into Crimea, said "It's ours", held a globally-unrecognized referendum to make it official and then started sending weapons to our ethnic cousins next door to start a ****storm.
    Once again: that would be extremely strange as you have absolutely nothing to do with Crimea.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    If we let the Western propaganda define reality then that would be accurate, but when we judge the reality based on truth and justice then it is not.
    Western propaganda ? So is Russia's state controlled media better ?

    I certainly view President Putin as a brilliant diplomat and strategist and Leader
    No you just like supporting anybody doing things you believe are contrary to western or more importantly US interests. You don't care squat about the people who are actually suffering through this

    The reason that we are still safe and alive here in the USA is because President Putin does not call our pretentious bluff and defy our petty bullying.
    What petty bullying would that be Mr Chamberlain ?

    Our own American government makes us here in the USA unsafe and insecure, so thank God that President Putin is protecting us from our own folly.
    So you prefer a despotic oppressor in control of your life then ?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So because the US has used its power to influence others it is OK for Putin to secretly invade and annex part of another country?
    Not only are you comparing apples to oranges you continually are making the horrible 2 wrongs make a right argument.
    Unfortunately 2 wrongs do not make a right and what Putin is doing is wrong no matter how you look at it.
    What is with your insistence that something the whole world has observed is "secret"????? And, I'm not making the argument that two wrongs are equal to one right. Remember, I'm the one that's arguing that what Putin is doing isn't wrong. Follow my argument dude. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of yourself and others that are accusing Putin of something that the US has done countless times, which is to use our military to force our will, if we think its in our interest to do so, regardless of the consequences.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What is with your insistence that something the whole world has observed is "secret"????? And, I'm not making the argument that two wrongs are equal to one right. Remember, I'm the one that's arguing that what Putin is doing isn't wrong. Follow my argument dude. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of yourself and others that are accusing Putin of something that the US has done countless times, which is to use our military to force our will, if we think its in our interest to do so, regardless of the consequences.
    Putin invaded Ukraine with soldiers who had removed the insignia from their uniforms and denied that Russian troops were there until well after he had taken control, that Is why he secretly invaded.
    You are arguing that what Putin is doing is Ok because the USA does it. That is the classic two wrongs make a right argument and it is wrong.
    As to hypocrisy you best find a dictionary and read what it means, because I have not said the USA is ok if they do the same as Putin. In fact I have said the opposite.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post

    So you prefer a despotic oppressor in control of your life then ?

    Anything to put done the US is ok by him.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Putin invaded Ukraine with soldiers who had removed the insignia from their uniforms and denied that Russian troops were there until well after he had taken control, that Is why he secretly invaded.
    You are arguing that what Putin is doing is Ok because the USA does it. That is the classic two wrongs make a right argument and it is wrong.
    As to hypocrisy you best find a dictionary and read what it means, because I have not said the USA is ok if they do the same as Putin. In fact I have said the opposite.
    Wrong again and still. Let me be the one to articulate my own argument, hear? I'm pointing to the hypocrisy of the US (and YOU) for accusing Russia of using military force to advance their interests when there's no end to the examples of the US doing the same, and not always overtly!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Anything to put done the US is ok by him.
    You and the rest of the patronising posters may characterise exposing wrong doing as "putting down" but that is candid deflection!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    Once again: that would be extremely strange as you have absolutely nothing to do with Crimea.
    That's right....we don't. So why do you and other Putin Lovers here keep saying the US is at fault or bullying or whatever?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Seems to me that we're leaning heavily on Russia over Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, somebody in Washington must think that its our business.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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