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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Putin has made his intentions clear, there is no conspiracy about it.
    If you're referring to Putin providing aid to Russian separatists that would advance Russian interests on their border, then I would submit to you that that is precisely what the US has done all over the world for decades now!!!! So spare us the moral high ground argument, its rubbish.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Putin May Be On The Verge Of Victory in Ukraine

    Ukraine is losing militarily and collapsing economically, and the West’s response is more divided than ever


    The optimists would call it another iteration of the Good Cop-Bad Cop strategy that the U.S. and European Union have sometimes tries to use to contain Russian President Vladimir Putin’s ambitions in Ukraine.

    But the reality is much harsher. As Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President François Hollande fly into Moscow for peace talks Friday, the weakness of their hand is clear: the only thing collapsing faster than the front line in Ukraine’s disputed eastern provinces is its economy, and Europe’s major powers are in no rush to prop up either.

    Meanwhile, the hryvnia, Ukraine’s currency, lost nearly half its value against the dollar Thursday as the central bank was forced to stop supporting it, having nearly exhausted its foreign reserves.

    Ukraine’s economy shrunk by 6.7% last year, due largely to the loss of Crimea and the devastation of the Donetsk region, home to much of the country’s industry. It’s forecast to shrink another 4% this year, and the International Monetary Fund reckons it needs at least $15 billion to avoid bankruptcy. That funding gap makes a nonsense of the IMF’s existing $17 billion program.

    By contrast, Russia’s economy and financial markets are starting to sense that the worst may be over for them, encouraged by the rebound in crude oil prices and by an enthusiastic reception from foreign investors for a $150 million stock offering by supermarket chain OAO Magnit earlier in the week. Domestic political support for Putin has also stayed strong, despite the face that inflation rose to 15.9% in January, its highest level in 16 years.

    The ruble has stabilized over the last week, and the benchmark RTS stock index was up 2.4% Friday as hopes for a favorable deal rose.

    Putin May Be On The Verge Of Victory in Ukraine

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If you're referring to Putin providing aid to Russian separatists that would advance Russian interests on their border, then I would submit to you that that is precisely what the US has done all over the world for decades now!!!! So spare us the moral high ground argument, its rubbish.
    1. I am not American so no moral high ground crap from you.
    2. When and where did/is the US providing aid to people wishing to have part of their county annexed to the USA?
    3. Putin is not only supplying aid he is using Russian troops.
    4. Putin created the whole crisis
    5. Spouting Putin BS talking points gives you 0 credibility
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    Putin May Be On The Verge Of Victory in Ukraine

    Ukraine is losing militarily and collapsing economically, and the West’s response is more divided than ever
    Sadly, this may well be true. Though this last offensive clearly did not work to the extent that Putin forecasted, he can easily try again, and again. Ukriane probably cannot defend again, and again.

    If so, things are really going to get costly as I dont Putin is going to stop in the Donbas. Rather, if he wins there, he is going to use the same "receipe for success" in Karkhov, Odessa and Kiev. Ukraine will go down fighting and then things could really get out of control if Poland, a NATO member, decides to assist Ukraine on their own.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Poland is a junior member of NATO family. It doesn't decide anything on their own.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    1. I am not American so no moral high ground crap from you.
    2. When and where did/is the US providing aid to people wishing to have part of their county annexed to the USA?
    3. Putin is not only supplying aid he is using Russian troops.
    4. Putin created the whole crisis
    5. Spouting Putin BS talking points gives you 0 credibility
    Where's your credentials dude??
    The US provides aid both lethal and non lethal to organisations in any number of countries around the world to advance US interests.
    Hawaii is one such place the US annexed.
    Much of the southwestern US was annexed from Mexico after we kicked their ass and forced them to sue for piece signing the treaty of Hidalgo.
    What is your country of origin, and if your not an American, why are you such an advocate for US interventions.
    Suppose you lobby your own government to confront Putin, or anybody else that you don't take a liking to???????
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Where's your credentials dude??
    Anyoen who isnt a Putin lackey like yourself is credible in comparison.
    The US provides aid both lethal and non lethal to organisations in any number of countries around the world to advance US interests.
    2 wrongs dont make a right. Pathetic argument.
    Hawaii is one such place the US annexed.
    Much of the southwestern US was annexed from Mexico after we kicked their ass and forced them to sue for piece signing the treaty of Hidalgo.
    So nothing current then?
    What is your country of origin, and if your not an American, why are you such an advocate for US interventions.
    I am not advocating US intervention I am advocating that the scum bag Putin whose a** you kiss get the hell out of Ukraine.
    Suppose you lobby your own government to confront Putin, or anybody else that you don't take a liking to???????
    Putin isn an evil dictator that is compeltely responsible for the mess in Ukraine he orchestrated it from the start when he tried top buy their govt. When that failed he resorted to the military soplution. Apparently Putinistas like youself think that is Ok and will defend his right to invade otthers till then end of time.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Anyoen who isnt a Putin lackey like yourself is credible in comparison.

    2 wrongs dont make a right. Pathetic argument.

    So nothing current then?

    I am not advocating US intervention I am advocating that the scum bag Putin whose a** you kiss get the hell out of Ukraine.

    Putin isn an evil dictator that is compeltely responsible for the mess in Ukraine he orchestrated it from the start when he tried top buy their govt. When that failed he resorted to the military soplution. Apparently Putinistas like youself think that is Ok and will defend his right to invade otthers till then end of time.
    I can't quite figure out whether MonteCresto is a Putin fanboy or he just hates his own country so much that anybody -including ISIS - that appears to be anti-American automatically gets his support. I think it's probably a combination of the two.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I can't quite figure out whether MonteCresto is a Putin fanboy or he just hates his own country so much that anybody -including ISIS - that appears to be anti-American automatically gets his support. I think it's probably a combination of the two.
    Starting to think the 2nd is the stronger of the 2 forces.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Starting to think the 2nd is the stronger of the 2 forces.
    Lol. That makes you both wrong then. So, where is your allegiance? Why are you dismissive of US annexations?? That's peculiar. And sorry, but Putin doesn't give a **** what you think. Not unlike any other country would do, he's looking out for Russia's interests. And you righties always make a right out of two wrongs.
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