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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    I see no problem with Russia taking its proper claim to the Ukraine and to the Crimea because the Ukraine belonged to Russia dating back 250 years to Catherine the Great circa 1764.
    You forgot... Alaska also once belonged to Russia.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    You forgot... Alaska also once belonged to Russia.
    And what?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Better get used to it. My bet is that Russia will not allow the west to set up camp in their back yard.
    So Russia won't tolerate the West supposivily acting like a bully, so Putin turns around and acts like the bully himself?
    Makes sense!

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Better get used to it. My bet is that Russia will not allow the west to set up camp in their back yard.
    That is an impossible mission.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Ergo...Russian soldiers on "vacation". Rather than withdraw such forces, Putin has injected even more Russian soldiers and equipment into the conflict.

    This Ukrainian media have told you?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    So Russia won't tolerate the West supposivily acting like a bully, so Putin turns around and acts like the bully himself?
    Makes sense!
    It's a matter of perspective, obviously, but usually true that those to whom evil is done, do evil in return. History makes that very clear.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    I see no problem with Russia taking its proper claim to the Ukraine and to the Crimea because the Ukraine belonged to Russia dating back 250 years to Catherine the Great circa 1764.
    Whats 'proper' about Russias claim to Ukraine then ? The Ukrainians voted en mass to become independent in 1991. I've visited the country a number of times between 2005-12 both East and West Ukraine and believe me when I say the great bulk of them want nothing to do with being a part of some greater Russian empire. Surely its their right of self determination that has first priority ?

    Today it is the West being led by the USA who tried to get the Ukraine to pull away from Russia or else none of the present hostilities would have happened.
    No Russia tried to stop Ukraine joining the EU and then potentially NATO. In polls before this happened well over 80% of Ukrainians were in favour of EU membership, this situation was intolerable for Putin who told his corrupt 'poodle' Yanukovych to do a complete U turn against the wishes of his people. The rest as they say is history

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    You forgot... Alaska also once belonged to Russia.
    That is correct if Russia ever wanted to reclaim Alaska THEN then at that time the USA would have a legitimate reason to get involved.

    As it is in the Ukraine the USA has no business with interfering there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Whats 'proper' about Russias claim to Ukraine then ? The Ukrainians voted en mass to become independent in 1991. I've visited the country a number of times between 2005-12 both East and West Ukraine and believe me when I say the great bulk of them want nothing to do with being a part of some greater Russian empire. Surely its their right of self determination that has first priority ?

    No Russia tried to stop Ukraine joining the EU and then potentially NATO. In polls before this happened well over 80% of Ukrainians were in favour of EU membership, this situation was intolerable for Putin who told his corrupt 'poodle' Yanukovych to do a complete U turn against the wishes of his people. The rest as they say is history
    The Eastern side has long history as Russian territory along with the people speaking Russian and belonging to the Orthodox Church and traditions which make the Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea as being a part of Russia.

    I realize that the USA has been pressuring and bribing the former Soviet Republics into joining the Western alliance and NATO which meant that the USA was instigating the hostilities with Russia and now that hostility has blossomed.

    Honestly I believe that if our USA's petty efforts were to succeed then Russia would launch a first strike against us - and rightly so.

    Fortunately for me is that I feel much safer by knowing our fate rest in the competent hands of their President Putin instead of the worries I have from our own American war mongers getting us all killed.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    The Eastern side has long history as Russian territory along with the people speaking Russian and belonging to the Orthodox Church and traditions which make the Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea as being a part of Russia.
    Heads up. I'm Scottish but I speak Russian as do 99% of Ukrainians

    I realize that the USA has been pressuring and bribing the former Soviet Republics into joining the Western alliance and NATO which meant that the USA was instigating the hostilities with Russia and now that hostility has blossomed.
    BS . They could have done that 20 years ago against no resistance whatsoever

    Fortunately for me is that I feel much safer by knowing our fate rest in the competent hands of their President Putin
    Let me just stop you there. Putin is the gangster in chief of a gangster oligarchy so to equate that with any sort of moral equivalency to the west is laughable frankly

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Whats 'proper' about Russias claim to Ukraine then ? The Ukrainians voted en mass to become independent in 1991. I've visited the country a number of times between 2005-12 both East and West Ukraine and believe me when I say the great bulk of them want nothing to do with being a part of some greater Russian empire. Surely its their right of self determination that has first priority ?
    I believe the referendum held in Crimea is much more representative than your "great bulk".

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No Russia tried to stop Ukraine joining the EU and then potentially NATO. In polls before this happened well over 80% of Ukrainians were in favour of EU membership, this situation was intolerable for Putin who told his corrupt 'poodle' Yanukovych to do a complete U turn against the wishes of his people. The rest as they say is history
    The history of elections in Ukraine - both presidential and for parliament - show your words are lie.
    Pro-western parties could win elections in Ukraine only after revolutions and coups. Meanwhile pro-Russian parties and presidents won always when elections took place in peaceful environment.

    For example, Leonid Kuchma, who was considered as "pro-Russian", won elections twice in 1994 and in 1999.

    Viktor Yuschenko, the pro-western candidate, could become the president only after "Orange revolution" of 2004, virtually the same kind of "maidan" when pro-western opposition did not recognize the results and led their supporters to Maidan first time. Then authorities gave in and agreed to hold the so-called "third round" of elections that was violation of law and election procedures.

    But in 2010 Viktor Yanukovich, the "evil pro-Russian candidate" wins again.

    In 2014 pro-western powers win again. And again after violence and revolution. Now through blood and deaths. Turchinov was declared the president by parliament that was again violation of law. In extraordinary elections, after Yanukovich was expelled, all pro-Russian parties were supressed and many simply refused to take part in election due to safety reasons, Poroshenko has won. By the way, that was the lowest voters' turnout for all presidential elections in Ukraine.

    The same picture is for parliament elections. The only once when pro-western powers won election for Rada is the war election of 2014. After violent seizer of power in the country.

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