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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    “No Russian Troops Are Fighting Against Us”

    The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko, is saying, in that news-report, which is dated on Thursday January 29th, that the only Russian citizens who are fighting in the contested region, are residents in that region, or of Ukraine, and also some Russian citizens (and this does not deny that perhaps some of other countries’ citizens are fighting there, inasmuch as American mercenaries have already been noted to have been participating on the Ukrainian Government’s side), who “are members of illegal armed groups,” meaning fighters who are not paid by any government, but instead are just “individual citizens” (as opposed to foreign-government-paid ones). General Muzhenko also says, emphatically, that the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    No, that's not.
    Yes it is as others have shown.

    Do you want to say if today the referendum was held in Crimea, there would any other results?
    Nah maybe they will up to 99%
    What a moronic question.
    As long as the evil Putin armed thugs are in control no referendum will be fair or have any outcome other than what Putin decides.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Yes it is as others have shown.


    Nah maybe they will up to 99%
    What a moronic question.
    As long as the evil Putin armed thugs are in control no referendum will be fair or have any outcome other than what Putin decides.
    Let's not invent... I do not want to go to the Crimea and see everything for yourself? Ask about the referendum and Ukraine...

    What do you think, what would be the results of a referendum without the help of Russia?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Virtually all legitimate international election-monitor organizations viewed the Crimea referendum as illegal under the constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea.

    Their participation would have provided a facade of legitimacy to both the illegal snap-referendum and the Russian occupation.
    Brilliant! A referendum can not be considered legitimate without international observers, but the observers did not go, because they believe the referendum illegal. Brilliantly!

    We talk a lot about the legitimacy of the referendum ... But you somehow forget about the people in the Crimea. Do you think they want to return to Ukraine?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by bardak View Post
    Let's not invent... I do not want to go to the Crimea and see everything for yourself? Ask about the referendum and Ukraine...

    What do you think, what would be the results of a referendum without the help of Russia?
    We will never know what it would have been because Putin would never allow it to happen unless he controlled the outcome
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    We will never know what it would have been because Putin would never allow it to happen unless he controlled the outcome
    Suddenly... I suggest still visit the Crimea and ask the residents themselves. I know the results, but I do not care, you would not believe

    Hypothetically... If you knew exactly what 90% of people in the Crimea in favor of annexation to Russia, then you would have approved it?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by bardak View Post
    Suddenly... I suggest still visit the Crimea and ask the residents themselves. I know the results, but I do not care, you would not believe

    Hypothetically... If you knew exactly what 90% of people in the Crimea in favor of annexation to Russia, then you would have approved it?
    If it was legal under Ukrainian law, yes.

    If 99% of the people wanted in Kamchatka, or Siberia to leave Russia would you approve it? Would Putin allow it?
    We all know the Putin's answer would be to kill, imprison and/or utterly destroy in any means he could think of anyone who tried to do so.
    It however was not done legally or in free manner and was done with a loaded question under the threat of force.
    Your point is moot and will forever remain so.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    If it was legal under Ukrainian law, yes.

    If 99% of the people wanted in Kamchatka, or Siberia to leave Russia would you approve it? Would Putin allow it?
    We all know the Putin's answer would be to kill, imprison and/or utterly destroy in any means he could think of anyone who tried to do so.
    It however was not done legally or in free manner and was done with a loaded question under the threat of force.
    Your point is moot and will forever remain so.
    The threat of force to whom? Crimea for more than twenty years dreamed of returning to Russia - this is the idea of a whole generation, not a momentary desire. Well to tell you that, you clearly were not there, just argue in this way... If Crimea is not returned, the Donbass Ukrainian authorities would seem a cakewalk.

    Summer in Siberia has arranged a meeting for the separation of Siberia. The most numerous rally was in Novosibirsk - with posters stood 4 people, of which only two were from Siberia. Locals and dispersed them, the police did not give cripple.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    Obama openly admits 'brokering power transition' in Ukraine

    In an interview with CNNís Fareed Zakaria, Barack Obama acknowledged that the United States had "brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," thus admitting to the highest level of democratic impropriety imaginable.

    http://rt.com/op-edge/228379-obama-p...ition-ukraine/
    The transition agreement with Yanukovych that Obama was referring to was brokered by the Prime Ministers of Germany, France, and Poland. The agreement was signed by Yanukovych and the Maidan opposition and witnessed by the Prime Ministers in the Presidential Palace in Kiev on Friday 21 February 2014. The transition agreement called for the 2004 constitution will be restored within 48 hours and a national unity government to be formed within 10 days, a presidential election no later than December of 2014, and an end to martial law. After signing this document, Yanukovych fled Kyiv on the night of February 21/22.

    Ukrainian president and opposition sign early poll deal


    Transition agreement signing ceremony in Kyiv on 21 February 2014


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    “No Russian Troops Are Fighting Against Us”

    The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko, is saying, in that news-report, which is dated on Thursday January 29th, that the only Russian citizens who are fighting in the contested region, are residents in that region, or of Ukraine, and also some Russian citizens (and this does not deny that perhaps some of other countries’ citizens are fighting there, inasmuch as American mercenaries have already been noted to have been participating on the Ukrainian Government’s side), who “are members of illegal armed groups,” meaning fighters who are not paid by any government, but instead are just “individual citizens” (as opposed to foreign-government-paid ones). General Muzhenko also says, emphatically, that the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”

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