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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    The Donetsk region held a 'hasty' referendum in which they voted overwhelmingly to leave the Ukraine.

    Then the Ukraine rejected the will of the people and started shooting.

    I blame the Ukraine, America and Moscow for this mess. But I blame the Ukraine FAR more then Moscow.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    I see no problem with Russia taking its proper claim to the Ukraine and to the Crimea because the Ukraine belonged to Russia dating back 250 years to Catherine the Great circa 1764.

    The western territory of the Ukraine was part of old Poland, see LINK.

    Today it is the West being led by the USA who tried to get the Ukraine to pull away from Russia or else none of the present hostilities would have happened.

    I honestly see the actions of their President Putin as being skillful and professional and performed like an expert, while our President Obama speaks like a complete fool where it comes to this American made crisis.
    So why are you here mooching off of the American system? It appears your loyalties are with Putin.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I've lived in both Ukraine and Crimea. Your "everyone" assertion is as absurd as it is erroneous.
    When 98% vote "yes" in general that means "everyone".

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    If they love Russia so much, they can move there. And Russia has ZERO rights to Eastern Ukraine, so why should they be allowed to have it?
    People of Crimea have already used your advice and moved to Russia.
    By the way, how do you define who has zero rights, who has 3 rights, or 5 rights or some rights else?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Donetsk region held a 'hasty' referendum in which they voted overwhelmingly to leave the Ukraine.
    Yeah and Saddam Hussein used to get 99% in elections at the point of a gun too

    Then the Ukraine rejected the will of the people and started shooting.
    The will of the people my backside. Even in the contested areas only 38% are ethnic Russian. I know too from personal experience of many visits that the great bulk of the people want EU membership and not to become part of any reformed greater Russian empire

    I blame the Ukraine, America and Moscow for this mess. But I blame the Ukraine FAR more then Moscow
    Nope this one is all Russia my friend as I'm sure the vast bulk of Ukrainians would confirm for you. Russia made this happen in order to keep the EU and then potenially NATO from its doorstep

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So why are you here mooching off of the American system? It appears your loyalties are with Putin.
    This guy is a one trick pony. He's simply here to demonize the US and uses almost 9/11 'truther' levels of obsession with which to do so. Whats actually happening in Ukraine is inconsequential to that end

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    When 98% vote "yes" in general that means "everyone".
    The 2014 Crimean snap-referendum violated the constitution of Ukraine. It was not monitored by international organizations and occurred under direct Russian military occupation. Moreover, both ballot choices resulted in the same outcome.

    The illegal rebel referendum in eastern Ukraine also violated the Ukraine constitution, and was similarly conducted under Russian military/political occupation and without international monitors.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    When 98% vote "yes" in general that means "everyone".
    Yeah an open and fair referendum with rigged questions and done under the "protective" guns of Putin's thugs.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The 2014 Crimean snap-referendum violated the constitution of Ukraine. It was not monitored by international organizations and occurred under direct Russian military occupation. Moreover, both ballot choices resulted in the same outcome.

    The illegal rebel referendum in eastern Ukraine also violated the Ukraine constitution, and was similarly conducted under Russian military/political occupation and without international monitors.
    The 2014 snap coup d'etat didn't violate constitution of Ukraine? Funny how people who demolished the whole idea of law and order in Ukraine start to refer to constitution. Turchinov and Yatsenyuk didn't care about constitution when the siezed the power, when they called people for illegal actions, when they armed gangsters and sent them to fight against Berkut in Kiev and against militia in Donbass. This is ridiculous, they remember about constitution only when it's good for them, any other time they don't have any limits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Yeah an open and fair referendum with rigged questions and done under the "protective" guns of Putin's thugs.
    I believe only those ones who took part at observers' mission over the referendum have a right to say their opinion about it. And all international observers who visited Crimea for referendum confirmed it was free and fair.

    And of course Putin's guns are protective. Look at what is going on in Ukraine where people also decided to hold referendums but where they didn't have "Putin's protective guns". Kiev authorities made bloodbath for them.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    The 2014 snap coup d'etat didn't violate constitution of Ukraine? Funny how people who demolished the whole idea of law and order in Ukraine start to refer to constitution. Turchinov and Yatsenyuk didn't care about constitution when the siezed the power, when they called people for illegal actions, when they armed gangsters and sent them to fight against Berkut in Kiev and against militia in Donbass. This is ridiculous, they remember about constitution only when it's good for them, any other time they don't have any limits.
    His own party ousted him in a legal way so yeah!
    But even if it wasn't, It doesn't give Putin the right to invade and annex parts of another country


    I believe only those ones who took part at observers' mission over the referendum have a right to say their opinion about it. And all international observers who visited Crimea for referendum confirmed it was free and fair.
    That is an outright lie.

    And of course Putin's guns are protective. Look at what is going on in Ukraine where people also decided to hold referendums but where they didn't have "Putin's protective guns". Kiev authorities made bloodbath for them.
    Yup he protected the results he wanted.
    Nothing unfair about voting in a referendum with a rigged question and having the guys who want a certain outcome standing there with guns.

    Go lick Putin's boots elsewhere anyone with half a brain knows he is 100% responsible for all the problems in the Ukraine today.
    His time will come soon enough the Russian people will not let him fade off into retirement.
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