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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

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    The Moscow Times | U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'



    Indeed. The rebels and Russia signed a document (The Minsk Agreement) which called for a ceasefire and a freeze on troop movements beginning at 1600 GMT on 5 September 2014. It was signed by rebel leaders Aleksandr Zakharchenko and Ihor Plotnytskiy and the Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov. Russia also agreed in Minsk to pull all forces and equipment out of Ukraine. Toilet paper promises.

    Within the past two weeks, rebel forces supplied by and in tandem with Russian forces have launched a major offensive and have captured the Donetsk International Airport and ~500 sq. miles of additional territory. They have attacked on a curved arc beginning at Volnovakha in the southeast, north to Pisky, and east to Stanytsk-Luhanska. These forces now control 7% of Ukraine territory (besides Crimea) and 20% of the population.


    Rebel armored vehicles (supplied by Russia) move towards Slovyanoserbsk in eastern Ukraine on Wednesday 21 January 2015. (Boston Herald)
    All of those in Eastern Ukraine love Russia and hate the West anyway....might as well let Russia have it. Not worth the fight.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

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    All of those in Eastern Ukraine love Russia and hate the West anyway....might as well let Russia have it. Not worth the fight.
    Given that in actuality only some 38% of those from the contested areas of Donetsk and Luhansk are ethnic Russians I really doubt thats the case

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Given that in actuality only some 38% of those from the contested areas of Donetsk and Luhansk are ethnic Russians I really doubt thats the case
    The ethnic russians aren't the only ones that want Russia to have control. Not even close. It's everyone in that region. I suggest you watch the documentary that just came on Netflix, if you have Netflix.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    The ethnic russians aren't the only ones that want Russia to have control. Not even close. It's everyone in that region. I suggest you watch the documentary that just came on Netflix, if you have Netflix.
    I've visited the major cities of Kharkiv and Dnepropetrovsk in that region so I know its not the case from my own personal experiences too.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I've visited the major cities of Kharkiv and Dnepropetrovsk in that region so I know its not the case from my own personal experiences too.
    I'm sure there are plenty of nationalists there, I'm speaking from what I'm reading and seeing in recent months.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    The ethnic russians aren't the only ones that want Russia to have control. Not even close. It's everyone in that region.
    I've lived in both Ukraine and Crimea. Your "everyone" assertion is as absurd as it is erroneous.

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    I suggest you watch the documentary that just came on Netflix, if you have Netflix.
    I suggest that you think twice about relying on a distributor of entertainment media.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    In this case the one (1) who made the mistake that they were strong enough to take the Ukraine was the USA, and the USA got rebuffed by the Republic of Russia - and rightly so.
    The US wasn't trying to "take" anything. It's Russia doing all the taking...starting with Crimea and then moving on with (for now) Eastern Ukraine.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    All of those in Eastern Ukraine love Russia and hate the West anyway....might as well let Russia have it. Not worth the fight.
    If they love Russia so much, they can move there. And Russia has ZERO rights to Eastern Ukraine, so why should they be allowed to have it?

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    If they love Russia so much, they can move there. And Russia has ZERO rights to Eastern Ukraine, so why should they be allowed to have it?
    I never said they were allowed to have it. A lot of nations aren't allowed to have the land they have.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I've lived in both Ukraine and Crimea. Your "everyone" assertion is as absurd as it is erroneous.


    I suggest that you think twice about relying on a distributor of entertainment media.
    It wasn't "entertainment" lol. It was just a documentary of real people telling their stories. I do however respect your opinion since you lived there.

    And live combat footage.

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