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U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan' [W:479]

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Would you support the removal of an American president by the same means an angry mob removed Yanukovych?

Isn't that why the Americans hoard private arsenals of military assault weapons ?
 
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In Avdeyevka, Donetsk region, the locals attacked Ukrainian journalists:



People cry:

Who are you?! Ukrainian TV?! We'll kill you! Get out of here! F*cking khokhols! ("Khokhol" is the insulting name of Ukrainian).
United Ukraine?! F*ck your "united Ukraine"!!!
National guard are gangsters!
You say DPR are Russians! What Russians?! Half of our Avdeyevka are in DPR!!!
 
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United Ukraine?! F*ck your "united Ukraine"!!!
National guard are gangsters!
You say DPR are Russians! What Russians?! Half of our Avdeyevka are in DPR!!!

Heads up. There was a united Ukraine for 23 years until you guys decided that there shouldn't be anymore :(
 
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Isn't that why the Americans hoard private arsenals of military assault weapons ?

Lovely answer.
 
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Heads up. There was a united Ukraine for 23 years until you guys decided that there shouldn't be anymore :(

There was united Ukraine until Kiev government started bombardments of its of eastern cities.
 
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Heads up. There was a united Ukraine for 23 years until you guys decided that there shouldn't be anymore :(

Heads up, the events unfolding today are evidence that that was somewhat of a facade, apparently there wasn't complete unity. Ask those happy smiling Crimean's shuffling about the streets and those fighting in the East for the same. You know, autonomy, self determination, the things you folk love to support elsewhere, well, except for Palestinians.
 
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There was united Ukraine until Kiev government started bombardments of its of eastern cities.

And of course Russian infiltration and agitation had nothing to do with that at all. They were just heavily armed 'vacationers' according to the Kremlin :lol:
 
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Heads up, the events unfolding today are evidence that that was somewhat of a facade, apparently there wasn't complete unity. Ask those happy smiling Crimea's shuffling about the streets and those fighting in the East for the same. You know, autonomy, self determination, the things you folk love to support elsewhere, well, except for Palestinians.

I've been all over the Ukraine my friend (even the east) and the great bulk of people there regarded their national sovereignty and right to self determination as rather more than just some 'facade'.
 
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And of course Russian infiltration and agitation had nothing to do with that at all. They were just heavily armed 'vacationers' according to the Kremlin :lol:

Nobody forced Ukrainian troops to shoot at people in Donbass.

Everybody saw how it started - unarmed people first tryed to stop Ukrainian tanks with only their own bodies and with words.





 
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I've been all over the Ukraine my friend (even the east) and the great bulk of people there regarded their national sovereignty and right to self determination as rather more than just some 'facade'.

Wtf!! I said that the notion that there was complete unity, was OBVIOUSLY somewhat of a facade, as EVIDENCED by the FACT that the folk strolling along the streets in Crimea are happy, smiling people. And there are folk in the East fighting for the same, autonomy, self determination, hear?
 
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And of course Russian infiltration and agitation had nothing to do with that at all. They were just heavily armed 'vacationers' according to the Kremlin :lol:

Why are you selective about self determination?
 
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Nobody forced Ukrainian troops to shoot at people in Donbass.

Well nobody except the Russians that is :lol:
 
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Why are you selective about self determination?

I'm not. The 38% of ethnic Russians living in the Eastern provinces were fine about it until the Russians decided they shouldn't be anymore
 
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Well nobody except the Russians that is :lol:

Russians also made Ukro-nazis to burn people alive in Odessa, also to kill 100 people in Kiev, also to bomb Lugansk regional government on July 2 last year, and also Russians forced Ukrainian troops to commit many war crimes like shelling cities with cluster bombs and rockets, killing kids, oldmen, women...

I understand this is funny for you. But not for me.
 
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Right, every time ten Western nations get together and make a declaration, it's international in its authority, because we all know that when they pull their pants on in the morning, the whole worlds dressed.

Yes because the UNSC and the UNGA are "10 western countries" your arguments and apologetics for a fascist dictator are both laughable and disgusting.
 
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I'm not. The 38% of ethnic Russians living in the Eastern provinces were fine about it until the Russians decided they shouldn't be anymore

That's not what they say. And having traveled about the country doesn't give you any authority to speak for them!
 
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Yes because the UNSC and the UNGA are "10 western countries" your arguments and apologetics for a fascist dictator are both laughable and disgusting.

I don't think that you're the one that should be laughing right now.
 
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Maybe you should read what I wrote. I didn't use any percentages. But if you can't accept facts then that is your problem, not mine. For the rest I see you belong to those who seek to devalue the term "war crime" to a completely meaningless insult.

Maybe you should study the damn subject before opening your flap then. According to the Russian version of events 97% of the Crimea voted for annexation, unfortunately for this laughable version of events the Crimea only has a 58% ethnic Russian population, so about that bridge sport, I'll cut you a good deal. ;)

I'm am not devaluing anything, the illegal annexation of the Crimea has been condemned by the UNGA and the UNSC as the war crime that it is and since the illegal occupation and annexation the Russian invaders have perpetrated ethnic cleansing against ethnic Ukrainians in the Crimea and mass murder of non-Russians in Eastern Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal and internationally recognized as such.
 
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You are incorrect, in fact 58% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians. In that respect it is the only Ukrainian oblast with a distinct Russian majority unlike with the currently contested Donetsk and Luhansk which have just 38%

Ok I misread the demographics page on wiki, my point still stands, the assertion that 97% of Crimeans voted for annexation when only 58% of them are even Russian is laughable.
 
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I don't think that you're the one that should be laughing right now.

Why? I'm demolishing your apologetics for fascist mass murderers on the daily.
 
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Maybe you should study the damn subject before opening your flap then. According to the Russian version of events 97% of the Crimea voted for annexation, unfortunately for this laughable version of events the Crimea only has a 33% ethnic Russian population, so about that bridge sport, I'll cut you a good deal. ;)

I'm am not devaluing anything, the illegal annexation of the Crimea has been condemned by the UNGA and the UNSC as the war crime that it is and since the illegal occupation and annexation the Russian invaders have perpetrated ethnic cleansing against ethnic Ukrainians in the Crimea and mass murder of non-Russians in Eastern Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal and internationally recognized as such.

Why are you selective in the credence you give to the UN. The UN also has a slew of NB resolutions against Israel, but suddenly the UN doesn't know what they're talking about there.
 
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Why? I'm demolishing your apologetics for fascist mass murderers on the daily.

I think Putin's doing that to you.
 
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That's not what they say. And having traveled about the country doesn't give you any authority to speak for them!

How do you know what they say ? RT or some other Russian state controlled mouthpiece no doubt. Travelling round the country over the course of 8 years certainly made me notice no Russian flags flying but plenty of EU and Ukrainian ones
 
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If we let the Western propaganda define reality then that would be accurate, but when we judge the reality based on truth and justice then it is not.

Didn't realize the UNGA and UNSC resolutions are considered "Western Propaganda" now. :roll:


United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262

The resolution, which was supported by 100 United Nations member states, affirmed the United Nations commitment to recognize Crimea within Ukraine’s international borders and underscored the invalidity of the 2014 Crimean referendum. Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Russia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe all voted against the resolution. There were also 58 abstentions, and a further 24 states did not vote through being absent when the vote took place.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region

General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not to Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

Even the UNSC voted against it and had it not been for Russia's permanent member status it would have passed, even China abstained which was tantamount to a yes vote:

15 March 2014 – Owing to the negative vote of one of its permanent members, the United Nations Security Council today failed to adopt a draft resolution which urged countries not to recognize the results of this weekend's referendum in Crimea.

Thirteen of the Council's 15 members voted in favour of the draft text, Russia voted against, and China abstained. A veto by any of the Council's five permanent members – China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States – means a resolution cannot be adopted.


United Nations News Centre - UN Security Council action on Crimea referendum blocked


I certainly view President Putin as a brilliant diplomat and strategist and Leader.

I think the Russian economy would disagree.

The reason that we are still safe and alive here in the USA is because President Putin does not call our pretentious bluff and defy our petty bullying.

So we are all safe and alive because Putin hasn't launched a nuclear strike in response to economic sanctions? Is that what you mean by this nonsensical statement? Gee I guess we should all be grateful for dear leaders magnanimity

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Our own American government makes us here in the USA unsafe and insecure, so thank God that President Putin is protecting us from our own folly.

ALL HEIL DEAR LEADER PUTIN!!!
 
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Maybe you should study the damn subject before opening your flap then. According to the Russian version of events 97% of the Crimea voted for annexation, unfortunately for this laughable version of events the Crimea only has a 58% ethnic Russian population, so about that bridge sport, I'll cut you a good deal. ;)

I'm am not devaluing anything, the illegal annexation of the Crimea has been condemned by the UNGA and the UNSC as the war crime that it is and since the illegal occupation and annexation the Russian invaders have perpetrated ethnic cleansing against ethnic Ukrainians in the Crimea and mass murder of non-Russians in Eastern Ukraine, Putin is a war criminal and internationally recognized as such.

Doesn't matter how long time you would waste on studying the subject as it's clear your knowledge about it is less than zero anyway.

Even here not so often one can watch such a bulk of b******.
 
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