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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Thats the point that nobody will address here in their ongoing demonization of the West. What if its what the Ukrainians actually want ? Why shackle themselves to the the economic corpse that is Russia when they could become part of the largest trading bloc on Earth instead ? Its a no brainer
    Russia is economic corpse only in your free non-state-controlled propaganda TV.

    You're the master of superficial and senseless statements. Ukraine has already signed the trade agreement with EU which was the start point for all this mess called "Maidan revolution". And what happened? Nothing. Prosperity hasn't come to Ukraine. Ukraine did not increase its exports to Europe or USA. Why? Because of very simple reason: they don't have anything essential to sell there. What they can offer for Eurpean market? What production? Prostitutes? But Romania seized the monopoly in this ground. What else? Maybe airplanes? But Europe and USA do not buy Antonov airplanes. Engines for airplanes and helos? The same situation. What you call "the largest trading bloc on Earth" can give Ukraine nothing.

    Sometimes you need to look at details, not just - oh, this is greatest trade bloc! so cool! So what? Show me your money, as Americans say.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    Russia is economic corpse only in your free non-state-controlled propaganda TV.
    Are you kidding me ? Russia is a one trick pony entirely dependent for its economic well being on oil and gas price fluctuations. It makes nothing !

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Yes - and welcome to the real would.
    Spoken like a true dictator. God help any country in the world that is smaller than its neighbour if they were all to subscribe to your morally bankrupt worldview

    So in the real world there is no self determination or alliances which are hostile to their neighboring Countries because such a hostility or alliance is an act of war.
    That is just about the biggest crock I've heard on this forum. You are basically blaming the bullied for defending themselves from being bullied

    The USA tricked the Ukraine into a really stupid alliance of hostility against Russia,
    The Ukraine has been independent for 23 years and during that time it wasn't America interfering with its internal affairs but Russia. Even going as far as attempting to poison pro Western president Victor Yushchenko 10 years ago. An attempt which he barely survived

    BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia blamed over poison probe

    You want anyone cuddling up to a regime that does this kind of thing !

    and I say the reason the USA is now so upset is because we screwed the Ukraine by our ignorant policy.
    I honestly don't think the current administration could care less about events in Ukraine. This huge conspiracy theory you've got going here is simply to bolster your own anti US xenophobia.

    It was Russia who annexed the Crimea because the Crimea rightly belonged to Russia.
    It was nothing of the sort and was in direct breach of the Budapest agreement of 1994 guaranteeing Ukraines borders ergo it was totally illegal

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapes...ity_Assurances

    The USA has tried to waltz into the Ukraine and made a mess out of it because the USA is an outsider and it was none of our business.
    The USA could have 'waltzed' into Ukraine 20 years ago and virtually for free had it chosen to. Todays conflict is entirely one of Russias making
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    It was Russia who annexed the Crimea because the Crimea rightly belonged to Russia.
    Wrong again. Below is the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR transferring Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. The world has recognized Crimea as Ukrainian land for 60 years now. Russia has been paying Ukraine $98 million dollars a year since 2009 to lease the naval facilities at Sevastopol for the Black Sea Fleet. You don't pay rent to someone else if you already own the property. In 2010 the Russian leasehold was renegotiated with an extension until 2042 and an option for an additional five years until 2047.



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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Wrong again. Below is the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR transferring Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. The world has recognized Crimea as Ukrainian land for 60 years now. Russia has been paying Ukraine $98 million dollars a year since 2009 to lease the naval facilities at Sevastopol for the Black Sea Fleet. You don't pay rent to someone else if you already own the property. In 2010 the Russian leasehold was renegotiated with an extension until 2042 and an option for an additional five years until 2047.
    I didn't know this, but it certainly compounds the point I've been making about Ukrainian national integrity having been compromised by Russia. This thread is weird you have Russian boots on the ground in Crimea and others 'vacationing' in Donetsk and Luhansk but somehow this whole crisis is still all big bad Americas fault !

    Go figure

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    The frame of Ukrainian TV news TSN.

    Ukrainian terrorists use emergency cars with red cross for moving inside the warzone in Donbass:

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    The frame of Ukrainian TV news TSN.

    Ukrainian terrorists use emergency cars with red cross for moving inside the warzone in Donbass:

    10926465_10204706017403699_2617439325480871828_n.jpg
    Cool pic of Russian backed separatist.
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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Wrong again. Below is the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR transferring Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. The world has recognized Crimea as Ukrainian land for 60 years now. Russia has been paying Ukraine $98 million dollars a year since 2009 to lease the naval facilities at Sevastopol for the Black Sea Fleet. You don't pay rent to someone else if you already own the property. In 2010 the Russian leasehold was renegotiated with an extension until 2042 and an option for an additional five years until 2047.
    Why wrong?
    JP Cusick is absolutely right - Crimea rightly belonged to Russia. Its belonging to Ukraine since 1991 till 2014 was a historical mistake. But even then Russia did not argue the sovereignty of Ukraine over the peninsula until March 18, 2014. Referendum was held, people voted. Happily the Ukrainian occupation is over now.

    And by the way, it's not Pravda, it's News of Supreme Council of USSR. Westerners due to their almost complete ignorance about Russia think there was a single newspaper in USSR.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Cool pic of Russian backed separatist.
    It's not Russian backed separatists. It's soldier of Ukrainian army. Terrorist. Murderer of children and women. Hiding behind the Red Cross.
    Last edited by MrFirst; 01-29-15 at 07:53 AM.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    It's not Russian backed separatists. It's soldier of Ukrainian army. Terrorist. Murderer of children and women. Hiding behind the Red Cross.
    Or defending an ambulance from Russian invaders who have doubtless attacked others. Remember Its you guys that are in his country comrade

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