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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    My links made my point for me.
    So, as far as I understand your knowledge of Russian was a bit exaggerated.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    So, as far as I understand your knowledge of Russian was a bit exaggerated.
    Oh I've visited your country too on a number of ocassions and am well acquainted with just how paranoid your people still are about the west

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    For the umpteenth time. What if Ukraine wants to be part of Western institutions of its own free will.? Its getting tiresome repeating myself here
    What if, what if. Revolution and civil war is not free will.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    What if, what if. Revolution and civil war is not free will.
    They don't want you back comrade and I know this from first hand experience

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Oh I've visited your country too on a number of ocassions and am well acquainted with just how paranoid your people still are about the west
    Thank you. Though I'm not sure how this statement linked with the question from Fallen about opposition media in Russia.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    They don't want you back comrade and I know this from first hand experience
    I've already explained you - you simply don't understand these people. Your knowledge is superficial and simplified.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFirst View Post
    I've already explained you - you simply don't understand these people. Your knowledge is superficial and simplified.
    Why is yours better ? Have you ever been there ?

    I understand them well enough to know that your mechanised and heavily armed 'vacationers' will have pushed public opinion against you there forever. There will be no turning back after this so your only hope is to send more of your 'holidaymakers' to 'correct' them in their view

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    As such the USA is the unwelcome intruder who has no business in that area.
    Wrong as usual. The Ukraine government welcomes any and all US and EU assistance against blatant Russian aggression. Per Ukraine's declared desire to turn Westward, Western countries have every reason to be there and help Ukraine become a contributing member of the Western community of nations.


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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Why is yours better ? Have you ever been there ?

    I understand them well enough to know that your mechanised and heavily armed 'vacationers' will have pushed public opinion against you there forever. There will be no turning back after this so your only hope is to send more of your 'holidaymakers' to 'correct' them in their view
    Of course I've been there. Long time ago but anyway. I have some acquaintance in Kiev.

    And I know what they told you about Yanukovich.
    They told you, confidentially: Look, flogger, this is pure mob... The mob rules our country...
    And so on in the same style.

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    Re: U.S.: Putin's Peace Proposal for Ukraine is Nothing But 'Occupation Plan'

    Russia may help Ukrainians of conscription age avoid army service

    ST. PETERSBURG, January 26 /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that Moscow might extend the period of sojourn in Russian territory for Ukrainians of conscription age who can be drafted into the Ukrainian army.

    “Many people, by the way, do not want to be mobilized. They are trying to move into Russia and lie low for some time. And they are absolutely right because they are simply being sent under bullets like cannon fodder,” Putin said.

    “Under a new law, Ukrainian citizens cannot stay in Russia for more than 30 days. After that they have to return to Ukraine where they are being caught and sent under the bullets again. That is why I think that we are going to change something in that law”.

    TASS: Russia - Russia may extend sojourn for Ukrainians of conscription age
    Yury Biryukov, the Poroshenko's assistant has written in his FB:
    In Ivano-Frankovsk oblast 57% of persons liable for call-up who recieved notifications have not come for medical examinations.

    In Ivano-Frankovsk oblast 37% of persons liable for call-up who recieved notifications left territory of Ukraine.

    Mayors of 14 villages in Ivano-Frankovsk oblasts refused to take notifications about mobilization.

    Mayors of villages in Ternopol oblast sabotage the work of military registration offices. When the army representatives approach villages - the mayors inform the locals to help them to hide.

    The mayor of Konyukhy village reported the locals rented two buses and left towards Russian Federation.

    In the town of Kolchino of Trans-Karpathia oblast only 3 men of 103 recieved notifications. The others are absent.

    For the last 30 days 17% of all persons liable for call-up passed the border of Chernovtsy oblast. Reportedly the hotels and hostels of neighbouring Romania are full of fugitive conscripts.

    In Volyn oblast 19% of those ones who recieved call-up refused from military service due to religious reasons - even though in previous years this index was not more than 0.7%.
    Later mr.Biryukov deleted his post, but information was spreaded by media.

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