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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

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    As the mountain will not come to Muhammad, we went to the mountain.
    Bush decided it was better to fight them in the sandbox than on US soil.
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    Bush decided it was better to fight them in the sandbox than on US soil.
    Did you misunderstand the half quote?
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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Did you misunderstand the half quote?
    I guess I misunderstood how you were using it.
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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

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    ...the best place to fight it is where it is rooted, and that's in the Middle East.
    Because fighting them there for, give or take, a decade and a half has led to fewer, and less violent/aggressive/expansionist/whatever Extremist Muslims?

    Just curious at what point we should sit down and think about this and NOT continue doing the same exact things that have been pretty much 100% ineffective...
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I guess I misunderstood how you were using it.
    Muhammed asked the mountain to come to him, the mountain did not, so Mohammed went to to the mountain.
    If someone does not come to you, go to them.
    I support Troops training Iraqi's-Kurds, they came under fire, and they defended themselves. Otherwise it is an Iraqi problem brought upon Iraq by Iraqi corruption, division and hate.
    They have to solve that, to solve future issues.
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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

    We've basically secured a war that will last the duration of our empire. The more extremeists we kill, the brothers, sisters, friends will take arms in the hate against the west. So it will continue on. I guess certain interests in the corpocracy would actually like a continual "war on terror."
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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Because fighting them there for, give or take, a decade and a half has led to fewer, and less violent/aggressive/expansionist/whatever Extremist Muslims?

    Just curious at what point we should sit down and think about this and NOT continue doing the same exact things that have been pretty much 100% ineffective...
    The alternative to fighting them there is to cede the entire territory to savages and abandon the millions of good people who are our friends with the potential for a massive refugee situation flooding into other areas of the globe.

    Sometimes there are no good or optimal choices, there are just best of a bad lot choices.
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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

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    The alternative to fighting them there is to cede the entire territory to savages and abandon the millions of good people who are our friends with the potential for a massive refugee situation flooding into other areas of the globe.

    Sometimes there are no good or optimal choices, there are just best of a bad lot choices.
    I would argue that the actual "war" (such as it is) is between Islam and radical Islam and that any fallout in the West is strictly collateral damage.

    I think what's necessary, as Abdel el-Sisi, said recently, is a "religious revolution" within the Islamic faith.

    I think we need to stop pretending that we have any influence at all over radical Islam (or Islam more generally) on the street and we need to start looking for was to foment the kind of revolution that el-Sisi was talking about at the leadership level.

    I think that that would take us a good deal further toward ultimately being able to live "with" Islam than this never ending game of wack-a-mole we're playing with extremists.

    I'm not averse to killing folks when it's practical and will arguably further out ultimate objective, but it's clear that "defense" has to take a back seat to "diplomacy" on this issue if we're ever going to get anywhere.

    Unfortunately there isn't a multi-billion-dollar diplomacy lobby stirring the pot in Washington and politicians are able to deliver their constituencies a great deal more "pork" in an effort to make armored vehicles and bombs than they can bringing orders for pencils and paper back to their districts.
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    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Canadian soldiers clash with ISIL in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I would argue that the actual "war" (such as it is) is between Islam and radical Islam and that any fallout in the West is strictly collateral damage.

    I think what's necessary, as Abdel el-Sisi, said recently, is a "religious revolution" within the Islamic faith.

    I think we need to stop pretending that we have any influence at all over radical Islam (or Islam more generally) on the street and we need to start looking for was to foment the kind of revolution that el-Sisi was talking about at the leadership level.

    I think that that would take us a good deal further toward ultimately being able to live "with" Islam than this never ending game of wack-a-mole we're playing with extremists.

    I'm not averse to killing folks when it's practical and will arguably further out ultimate objective, but it's clear that "defense" has to take a back seat to "diplomacy" on this issue if we're ever going to get anywhere.

    Unfortunately there isn't a multi-billion-dollar diplomacy lobby stirring the pot in Washington and politicians are able to deliver their constituencies a great deal more "pork" in an effort to make armored vehicles and bombs than they can bringing orders for pencils and paper back to their districts.
    I share your view on Sisi - his words are terrific and he's a bit of a hero in a landscape devoid of heroes. But his words, if successful, will only have affect on the very margins and not with the likes of those leading and supporting ISIS. Perhaps you're right - perhaps it's a losing battle - but I'm supportive of trying to stop their movement from expanding and solidifying. Had the US not abandoned Afghanistan the first time, after driving out the Soviets, perhaps the Taliban and al Qaeda would not have been able to organize and operate from within that failed state. Do we really want another such state in the middle of this area, so close to Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc.?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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