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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I read of contemporary Dutch involvement here. Military history of the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And it is 'spotty', even excluding Srebrenica, with politics often interfering with the committed job at hand. I fear this is what's happening with this extradition case. I believe anti Americanism plays too great a role in the Dutch culture and politics and this will eventually be to their own detriment. They are certainly more concerned with Islamophobia than they ever were with Yankophobia.
    You call that spotty, I do not. The whole Srebenica disaster was not just down to the Dutch protectors but to the entire failure of the UN in that region. You cannot expect a lightly armored unit to stop a much larger better armed military force.

    Anti-Americanism in the Netherlands if that is your attitude then
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    What an insulting and arrogant act by yet another snobby European nation, this time the Netherlands.

    If they want to play this game, we should kick Shell Oil and Unilever out of the United States. Ban them from selling any of their product in our country. Then we'll see how arrogant they want to be. SMH.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You call that spotty, I do not. The whole Srebenica disaster was not just down to the Dutch protectors but to the entire failure of the UN in that region. You cannot expect a lightly armored unit to stop a much larger better armed military force.

    Anti-Americanism in the Netherlands if that is your attitude then
    You sincerely don't know about any anti Americanism in Holland? And, of course, it's never the fault of any Europeans.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You sincerely don't know about any anti Americanism in Holland? And, of course, it's never the fault of any Europeans.
    No, not a lot of Anti-Americanism. Loads of US companies have offices here, I personally live close to a US army base.

    And I did not say it was never the fault of any Europeans. In fact it was the fault of the people who sent a lightly armored unit to Srebrenica and from what I remember the ****ing French who did not want to sent air support.

    A small force of Dutch UN troops stationed in the town repeatedly requested air support from Gen Janvier, who declined the requests - on one occasion because it had been submitted on the wrong form.
    https://www.globalpolicy.org/compone...199/40913.html

    And no, there is plenty of blame to go around in Srebrenica but it was not just the fault of the Dutch, this was an international failure.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What an insulting and arrogant act by yet another snobby European nation, this time the Netherlands.

    If they want to play this game, we should kick Shell Oil and Unilever out of the United States. Ban them from selling any of their product in our country. Then we'll see how arrogant they want to be. SMH.


    No arrogance but the rule of law. And costing 800,000 people their job in the US seems a really good trade off. Plus loosing 240 million dollars in investments seems a good trade off.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So, despite your claim that
    "the average American is a moral midget, unable to tell the difference between right and wrong, or at least unable to take a stand against torture" you feel your questions were fairly phrased, without bias, and representative of the American people and not just your friends.

    You background in science must have helped you with your global warming studies as well.
    Global warming studies? You lost me there dude.

    No, my sample of 8 has been effectively enlarged by the posts I read here on the internet, posts that defend torture, or more commonly, offer the supreme rationalization that depriving someone of sleep, or forcing them to stand naked, as long as it is done in the name of "interrogation", is somehow a patriotic act and certainly not a crime.

    The sample of 8 was where I got to actually have a discussion face-to-face. Here in the cyber world, people are much more forthcoming with their pitiful rationalizations. But the results are pretty much the same--the average American has no problems with torture, will condone and approve torture.

    Is that number over 50% of the very informal sample? I am sad to say that probably yes, it is more than 50%. Thanks for your input.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, not a lot of Anti-Americanism. Loads of US companies have offices here, I personally live close to a US army base.
    That has nothing to do with anti Americanism. I spent a few months in Holland and am very aware of its existence.
    And I did not say it was never the fault of any Europeans. In fact it was the fault of the people who sent a lightly armored unit to Srebrenica and from what I remember the ****ing French who did not want to sent air support.
    The French are Europeans as well but, in any case, none of the European nations, with the exception of the Brits, are all that impressive in times of trouble.
    https://www.globalpolicy.org/compone...199/40913.html And no, there is plenty of blame to go around in Srebrenica but it was not just the fault of the Dutch, this was an international failure.
    Being unprepared and expecting others to bail you out when trouble inevitably starts has become a European habit.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well now.....what do you think of that. They will not extradite a supporter of AQ, and we are not talking about Cheerleading supporter. Fruits of Feinstein's releasing of the Torture Report.....huh? What say ye?
    Or, you know, the fruits of torturing people.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Or, you know, the fruits of torturing people.
    Nothing as long as you call it "Enhanced Interrogation" instead.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Nothing as long as you call it "Enhanced Interrogation" instead.
    Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and gives the appearance of solidity to pure wind. Orwell.

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