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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    He supposedly was tortured in Pakistan.
    Supposedly? Did someone cut his nose off or before his very eyes throw a Koran in the toilet? And who dunnit?

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

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    These bureaucrats when given a desk, a dark uniform and a title, behave like bureaucrats everywhere. Holland would make a great Gitmo. Given the speed and efficiency of the Dutch Courts they'd be there for 50 years before they were considered for release.
    Judges are not bureaucrats, they are the guardians of justice. Gitmo? Last time I checked long court dates are also happening in other countries, not just the Netherlands.

    Also, this has been up and down the entire court system, all the way up to the supreme court and back again. Don't come up with nonsense of slow court proceedings.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

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    Supposedly? Did someone cut his nose off or before his very eyes throw a Koran in the toilet? And who dunnit?
    He was tortured by the Pakistani ISI.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    He was tortured by the Pakistani ISI.
    Tortured? Supposedly Tortured? Did they cut off his nose? Throw his Koran in the toilet? Say they would hurt his mother? The ISI or the CIA?

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Tortured? Supposedly Tortured? Did they cut off his nose? Throw his Koran in the toilet? Say they would hurt his mother? The ISI or the CIA?
    He was tortured by the ISI. Nothing supposed about it.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Then there is also the argument that government have to comply with the international law and national law, trust is fine but not at the expense of the law or legal procedures.
    And if these legal proceedings take years and countries are overrun by terrorists then, at least in the opinion of the Dutch judiciary, justice was done.
    And if other countries would not torture (Pakistan) or other governments ask rogue torturing government to torture on their behalf, this all would be a non issue. This all started with the torture of this guy, if he had not been tortured, the Dutch government would already have been able to extradite him.
    My understanding s that the threat of torture is enough (with enhanced interrogation unmentioned).

    The Dutch have taken their position, which is as it should be, but they do seem rather docile in the face of Islamic aggression and, as we know, their war record in recent memory has been 'spotty'.

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Judges are not bureaucrats, they are the guardians of justice.
    They are titles and they offer job security. Like any other government employees, some are better than others. I'm not in awe of any of them.
    Gitmo? Last time I checked long court dates are also happening in other countries, not just the Netherlands.
    And with the accompanying line-ups no doubt. Any backlogs at all?
    Also, this has been up and down the entire court system, all the way up to the supreme court and back again. Don't come up with nonsense of slow court proceedings.
    You don't see the oxymoron there?

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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And if these legal proceedings take years and countries are overrun by terrorists then, at least in the opinion of the Dutch judiciary, justice was done.
    My understanding s that the threat of torture is enough (with enhanced interrogation unmentioned).

    The Dutch have taken their position, which is as it should be, but they do seem rather docile in the face of Islamic aggression and, as we know, their war record in recent memory has been 'spotty'.
    And if torture would not have been used it would not even have taken months/less than a year. And justice is done if when a legally sound decision was made.

    Your understanding say nothing because in this case actual torture was used against this suspect.

    And our war record has been "spotty"? That just shows you know crap all about the Netherlands or our armed forces.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They are titles and they offer job security. Like any other government employees, some are better than others. I'm not in awe of any of them. And with the accompanying line-ups no doubt. Any backlogs at all?
    You don't see the oxymoron there?
    No, they are not just titles and they offer only some job security. They are judges until age 70 but judges can be let go if they are no longer capable to perform their duties or if they were convicted of a crime (for which no longer appeals are possible).

    You may not be aware of any, I do know some.

    Which court does not have back logs, but the decision of the court has to be made in a timely manner.

    And no, no oxymoron IMHO.
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    Re: Dutch court blocks extradition to U.S. over torture concerns.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And if torture would not have been used it would not even have taken months/less than a year. And justice is done if when a legally sound decision was made.
    Your understanding say nothing because in this case actual torture was used against this suspect. And our war record has been "spotty"? That just shows you know crap all about the Netherlands or our armed forces.
    I read of contemporary Dutch involvement here. Military history of the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And it is 'spotty', even excluding Srebrenica, with politics often interfering with the committed job at hand. I fear this is what's happening with this extradition case. I believe anti Americanism plays too great a role in the Dutch culture and politics and this will eventually be to their own detriment. They are certainly more concerned with Islamophobia than they ever were with Yankophobia.

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